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990 messages, Last post on Sep 05, 2009 at 6:04 AM
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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)
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........Christ.......touche' It becomes a shade more painfully obvious that I am outclassed here. Although I have no idea what the 4th dimension (time) or how Stephen Hawking and Michio Kaku are relevant to the situation other than to be a jab. Although if you want a summation of their theories and thinking (minus the mathematics involved) feel free to read Steven Kings "Dark Tower" series it's a great deal more entertaining and doesnt require a Doctors of Philosophy degree to understand the implied ideas contained therein and at least doesnt make you sound like an idiot to every sober person at a cocktail party when you start spouting off about it. Sorry, I know the history of the Skyline, but I don't think that has any bearing upon the issues facing the GTR in the U.S. The Skyline seems to have taken so many forms over the years (sedan, coupe, GT, but never a real sports car) that it would take a Nissan fanatic or forensic scientist to trace any DNA connection betwen the Skyline and the Nissan GTR. You're kidding me here right? I dont mean to sound like a spastic Nissan fan here but...... "Between 1969 and 1974, and again between 1989 and 2002, Nissan produced a high performance version of its Skyline range, called the Nissan Skyline GT-R. This car proved to be iconic for Nissan[6][7] and achieved much fame and success on road and track. The Nissan GT-R, although no longer carrying the "Skyline" badge, has heritage in the Nissan Skyline GT-R. Like the Skyline GT-Rs R32 through R34, the Nissan GT-R is all-wheel drive with a twin-turbo 6 cylinder engine; however, the evolutionary, incremental changes between Skyline models R32 through R34 have been done away with. The four-wheel-steering HICAS system has been removed, and the traditional straight-6 RB26DETT engine has been replaced with a new V6 VR38DETT.[8] Because of the GT-R's heritage, the chassis code for the all-new version has been called CBA-R35,[9] or 'R35' for short, carrying on the naming trend from previous Skyline GT-R generations. The GT-R has also retained its Skyline predecessor's nickname Godzilla.[10][11]" Oh my god, I'm not an engineering student! I'm a Forensic Scientist!!! Who would have guessed at that! ............Unless heritage means something other than inherited traits?.....Wait thats it! Maybe I'm wrong here, maybe it actually means something along the lines of "It once split the rent on an apartment for a month with your third cousin." .......and with that I return your forum and solitary square of control in the universe or at least that denoted by "String" or "Universe on the Brane" theory unto you so that you may once again collapse back into semantics over which car you would never own because it has such and such problem when in reality none of us would post in ANY x vs. y forum if we truly had the money to freely purchase either car x or y, all the while (usually) anonymously singing the praises of car Z which is indeed the one that we own in real life be it an S2000 a tubby bitch 350z or even a 90's civic si hatch (oops guess I'm guilty too) Now as for the dude who said the driver makes the car. You're right SCCA and Laguna Seca for life kids. By the way for what it's worth and from what I have found the transmission is not actually of nissan manufacture, its from a company called B&W and they are the same company that did the tranny for the Bugatti Veryron (which apparently had a shitload of problems initially as well) ........thats all the effort I'm putting into this.
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Replying to: skarie (Oct 11, 2008 5:50 pm) ..........Ya know a new 944 wouldnt be a bad idea
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Replying to: nobodyspecial (Oct 16, 2008 7:08 pm) Porsche already has a Boxster, i dont see the need for that car. What i think Porsche should do is resurrect the Carrera using the same V10 engine and also use the same twin turbo set up that audi uses in there RS6 sedan. Now that would be something special, do i hear 800HP.
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Replying to: skarie (Oct 17, 2008 1:57 pm) Now that would be something special, do i hear 800HP .......that would be frightening. Porsche already has a Boxster, i dont see the need for that car Would it be totally blashphemous to say that I dont find the boxer aesthetically appealing at all? I've been in love with the faux hatchback look of the 944 for some time.
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Replying to: nobodyspecial (Oct 16, 2008 6:15 pm) The paragraph that follows is full of interesting facts, but, other than the GTR name and Godzilla nickname, I still suspect that the Nissan GTR is being percieved as a "new" car by most US customers. Unless I'm really stuck in an alternate universe, I do not believe the Nissan GTR in the form being sold here in the US has been previously available in Japan or elsewhere. But even I am pressed to remember the relevance of this issue, so I will leave it rest.
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Replying to: nobodyspecial (Oct 17, 2008 6:43 pm) Would it be blashphemous of me to admit that my first new car was a 1978 Datsun B210GX hatchback and my first "sports car" was a 1984 Toyota Supra hatchback? I'm not sure what is "faux" about the 944's hatchback, but there is some appeal to that look and functionality. On the other hand, the mid engine Boxster and Cayman will run circles around the front engine rear hatch layout, so there are performance trade-offs.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 18, 2008 6:08 am) That is probably best tack to take as my initial view of the argument was over the lineage of the car and how while the Infiniti (I spelled it right!) G35 was viewed as the american Skyline/GT-R/whatever when it was in no way the same car beyond the rolling chassis and exterior cosmetics. Alas I apologize for helping everything in this thread get hopelessly skewed over semantics. .......I'm also bitter as hell as car that a car that cost around 60k in Japan and was pegged as it's take on muscle cars AND looked fearsome as hell (IMO), finally comes to my country where I can easily get my hands on it (relatively speaking) and it is instead being pegged as a supercar to compete with Porsche of all people It's no longer running the RB engine series and......I just thought of this analogy this morning and it made me laugh so what the hell.......it looks more like it belongs in the light trailing motorcycle portion of Tron than it does on a highway.......There I said it! I freely admit that I would be better off going through the trouble buying an old R32-34 series and importing it and dealing with the CARB people.........and it costs a lot more than I had expected. |
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Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 18, 2008 6:18 am) I'm a little confused as to the whole hatchback vs. liftback thing, but if the 944 is indeed a hatchback then that is awesome and easier for me and makes it totally faux-less. True all the MR's Porsche puts out now would tear it to pieces, even the 944 Turbo version of it, but I just love the look of the car (Much like the Slant nose (or is it shovel nose) 911 Carreras) despite the performance trade off. As for a Datsun B210 good on ya and 84 Supra.......Damn you. I had an 86 Corolla GTS that I dearly loved before the whole drift thing caught on......imagine my chagrin selling it ten years ago (in relatively good condition) for like $800. Glad we could find some common ground
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Replying to: nobodyspecial (Oct 18, 2008 7:52 am) Well prepared 944 Turbos are still terrors on track days. Any stock Boxster or Cayman would be have to be pretty well driven to even stay close to them. |
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Porsche PDK issue. Unresolved. Owner selling car. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=48&t=585548&i=0 Covered under warranty, but they couldn't fix the problem. Its almost as if... Porsche's special pattents don't always work out the first time. Teething issues, it happens. Google 'Porsche Rear Main Seal Issues' or check pisonheads.com. The 996 had a plethora of complaints. Those complaining about warranty issues from launching get no sympathy from the rest of the GT-R owners. After reading his/their comments they believe "it was a case of overzealous use by 2 people." This thread explains by the real GT-R owners, as habitat points out are more authoritative than us speculators. http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=25624 Whether Porsche or Nissan, there are reports of dual-clutch transmissions being finicky. If you have a  , they'll be covered under warranty. If you launch the Nissan repeatedly while the transmission is hot, they won't cover damage under warranty. These rules are spelled out to owners. However, the GT-R is a similar weight to the M3, and costs about the same. So Nissan should really consider having a warranty as robust as with BMW's DCG. If Porsche is so unimpressed with the GT-R, then why are they in such a hurry to rush the PDK onto the GT3? (if they ever get the transmission noises to quit). Will the PDK save seconds/lap, eventually catching and perhaps passing the GT-R in terms of performance in GT2 and/or GT3 and/or Turbo? Yeah, probably. If history has shown us anything, benchmarking works. But what none of us expected was for Porsche to take this car so seriously. I guess the Nissan has already had its desired effect. There really aren't that many differences in the design philosophy and history. This battle has gone back-forth for a while. There have been times when Porsche is on top, and times when Nissan finishes first. It will likely continue that way.
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