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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)
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Replying to: madmanmoo (Oct 15, 2008 2:39 pm) |
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Replying to: nobodyspecial (Oct 15, 2008 2:35 pm) The Nissan Skyline-the car referred to in this particular thread- is being regarded as if it is "just some random venture" by Nissan Motors and that this production year is its first ever. Sorry, I know the history of the Skyline, but I don't think that has any bearing upon the issues facing the GTR in the U.S. The Skyline seems to have taken so many forms over the years (sedan, coupe, GT, but never a real sports car) that it would take a Nissan fanatic or forensic scientist to trace any DNA connection betwen the Skyline and the Nissan GTR. As a matter of fact, according to Nissan, the Skyline and GTR are not as directly linked as the Skyline and G35/350Z are: "The 11th generation (V35) Nissan Skyline, introduced in June 2001, was based on Nissan's FM platform, shared with the 350Z. The Nissan Skyline used a front-midship engine (VQ35DE), rear-wheel drive layout (all-wheel drive was available for the sedan) to achieve a 52%/48% weight distribution. The V35 was the first Skyline made for export to the United States. There it was sold under the company's luxury brand, Infiniti as the Infiniti G35." why don't you simply put a disclaimer at the end of all of your posts stating that not only are you not an authority on the subject you are arguing in but you actually have no first hand experience with the vehicle, thus saving people the aggravation of dealing with you....... Excuse me? I thought I was being kind to Nissan by qualifying my concern over the transmission failures and launch control problems as coming from reports on the Nissan Owner's forum. This isn't a Nissan Owner's forum. This is Edmunds. Does anybody here own a GTR? You, smart ass? I didn't think so. The difference is I qualified my statement, whereas you are falsely posing as an authority while shirking your homework. Probably not the kind of study habits that will ever put you in the seat of a GTR. Or an S2000 or overweight 350Z for that matter.  I trust you can explain how you were able to travel both to and from infinity since it can't be put into literal numerical context hmmmm? Truth be told, I stayed put. But if you are having a tough time getting beyond 3 or 4 dimensional thinking (when you aren't 2 dimensionally drafting or 1 dimensionally advocating for Nissan), you might want to look into the latest theories by Dr. Michio Kaku or Stephen Hawking. Dr. Michio Kaku |
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........Christ.......touche' It becomes a shade more painfully obvious that I am outclassed here. Although I have no idea what the 4th dimension (time) or how Stephen Hawking and Michio Kaku are relevant to the situation other than to be a jab. Although if you want a summation of their theories and thinking (minus the mathematics involved) feel free to read Steven Kings "Dark Tower" series it's a great deal more entertaining and doesnt require a Doctors of Philosophy degree to understand the implied ideas contained therein and at least doesnt make you sound like an idiot to every sober person at a cocktail party when you start spouting off about it. Sorry, I know the history of the Skyline, but I don't think that has any bearing upon the issues facing the GTR in the U.S. The Skyline seems to have taken so many forms over the years (sedan, coupe, GT, but never a real sports car) that it would take a Nissan fanatic or forensic scientist to trace any DNA connection betwen the Skyline and the Nissan GTR. You're kidding me here right? I dont mean to sound like a spastic Nissan fan here but...... "Between 1969 and 1974, and again between 1989 and 2002, Nissan produced a high performance version of its Skyline range, called the Nissan Skyline GT-R. This car proved to be iconic for Nissan[6][7] and achieved much fame and success on road and track. The Nissan GT-R, although no longer carrying the "Skyline" badge, has heritage in the Nissan Skyline GT-R. Like the Skyline GT-Rs R32 through R34, the Nissan GT-R is all-wheel drive with a twin-turbo 6 cylinder engine; however, the evolutionary, incremental changes between Skyline models R32 through R34 have been done away with. The four-wheel-steering HICAS system has been removed, and the traditional straight-6 RB26DETT engine has been replaced with a new V6 VR38DETT.[8] Because of the GT-R's heritage, the chassis code for the all-new version has been called CBA-R35,[9] or 'R35' for short, carrying on the naming trend from previous Skyline GT-R generations. The GT-R has also retained its Skyline predecessor's nickname Godzilla.[10][11]" Oh my god, I'm not an engineering student! I'm a Forensic Scientist!!! Who would have guessed at that! ............Unless heritage means something other than inherited traits?.....Wait thats it! Maybe I'm wrong here, maybe it actually means something along the lines of "It once split the rent on an apartment for a month with your third cousin." .......and with that I return your forum and solitary square of control in the universe or at least that denoted by "String" or "Universe on the Brane" theory unto you so that you may once again collapse back into semantics over which car you would never own because it has such and such problem when in reality none of us would post in ANY x vs. y forum if we truly had the money to freely purchase either car x or y, all the while (usually) anonymously singing the praises of car Z which is indeed the one that we own in real life be it an S2000 a tubby bitch 350z or even a 90's civic si hatch (oops guess I'm guilty too) Now as for the dude who said the driver makes the car. You're right SCCA and Laguna Seca for life kids. By the way for what it's worth and from what I have found the transmission is not actually of nissan manufacture, its from a company called B&W and they are the same company that did the tranny for the Bugatti Veryron (which apparently had a shitload of problems initially as well) ........thats all the effort I'm putting into this.
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Replying to: skarie (Oct 11, 2008 5:50 pm) ..........Ya know a new 944 wouldnt be a bad idea
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Replying to: nobodyspecial (Oct 16, 2008 7:08 pm) Porsche already has a Boxster, i dont see the need for that car. What i think Porsche should do is resurrect the Carrera using the same V10 engine and also use the same twin turbo set up that audi uses in there RS6 sedan. Now that would be something special, do i hear 800HP.
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Replying to: skarie (Oct 17, 2008 1:57 pm) Now that would be something special, do i hear 800HP .......that would be frightening. Porsche already has a Boxster, i dont see the need for that car Would it be totally blashphemous to say that I dont find the boxer aesthetically appealing at all? I've been in love with the faux hatchback look of the 944 for some time.
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Replying to: nobodyspecial (Oct 16, 2008 6:15 pm) The paragraph that follows is full of interesting facts, but, other than the GTR name and Godzilla nickname, I still suspect that the Nissan GTR is being percieved as a "new" car by most US customers. Unless I'm really stuck in an alternate universe, I do not believe the Nissan GTR in the form being sold here in the US has been previously available in Japan or elsewhere. But even I am pressed to remember the relevance of this issue, so I will leave it rest.
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Replying to: nobodyspecial (Oct 17, 2008 6:43 pm) Would it be blashphemous of me to admit that my first new car was a 1978 Datsun B210GX hatchback and my first "sports car" was a 1984 Toyota Supra hatchback? I'm not sure what is "faux" about the 944's hatchback, but there is some appeal to that look and functionality. On the other hand, the mid engine Boxster and Cayman will run circles around the front engine rear hatch layout, so there are performance trade-offs.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 18, 2008 6:08 am) That is probably best tack to take as my initial view of the argument was over the lineage of the car and how while the Infiniti (I spelled it right!) G35 was viewed as the american Skyline/GT-R/whatever when it was in no way the same car beyond the rolling chassis and exterior cosmetics. Alas I apologize for helping everything in this thread get hopelessly skewed over semantics. .......I'm also bitter as hell as car that a car that cost around 60k in Japan and was pegged as it's take on muscle cars AND looked fearsome as hell (IMO), finally comes to my country where I can easily get my hands on it (relatively speaking) and it is instead being pegged as a supercar to compete with Porsche of all people It's no longer running the RB engine series and......I just thought of this analogy this morning and it made me laugh so what the hell.......it looks more like it belongs in the light trailing motorcycle portion of Tron than it does on a highway.......There I said it! I freely admit that I would be better off going through the trouble buying an old R32-34 series and importing it and dealing with the CARB people.........and it costs a lot more than I had expected. |
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