Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo

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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)

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#912 of 990 Re: Nissan will fall apart [nobodyspecial] by habitat1 Oct 15, 2008 (5:22 am)
Replying to: nobodyspecial (Oct 14, 2008 8:45 pm) Okay I have to sound off on this GT-R thing.......First infinity G35 NOT A GT-R maybe in japan where it was the Nissan Skyline R-35.....secondly the GT-R badge has been around for almost 30+ years now starting around about 1973 which was a Mustang Mach look alike only with a 6 cylinder and a turbo. Then it got real popularity with the Nissan Skyline R32. True the GT-R we are getting is the first ever stateside and while it is pretty and looks like a blast I am doubtful of its popularity with.......I fear to say this in public forum "more traditional americans" which will make it a relatively limited run. Finally folks Porsche has been around a long time, so has nissan both have models that I dislike and completely loathe, and others that I completely love and while Nissan has failed financially especially lately with the hybrid havok they will still exist in some way shape or form and more than likely be under some corporation other than Renault. They will all to a degree (maybe with some generation gaps) keep producing the cars (if not in the U.S. then in their home countries) that got them famous e.g. 911's and the Skyline (I'm sorry I hate GT-R and think it's a buzz word because skyline probably sounded too homogenous for the american market) I'm no English major - math was my better subject. But if my 4th grade daughter wrote a paragraph like the first one in your post, I'd immediately be calling for a conference with her teachers to see what we could do in the way of remedial classes. I don't understand what bottom line conclusion you were trying to make, other than "sounding off" in a highly discombobulated manner. You may want to try reposting with some semblence of grammer and basic sentence logic. And, by the way "Infiniti" is the car. "Infinity" is where I have to travel back and forth from to try to make sense of your ramblings. It appears that you have a strong opinion about something, which I'd be happy to consider and/or respond to if had a better idea of what it was. Thanks. Replies to this message: nobodyspecial (Oct 15, 2008 2:35 pm) madmanmoo (Oct 15, 2008 2:39 pm) lemmer (Oct 16, 2008 5:47 am) habitat1 (Oct 16, 2008 7:00 am)
#913 of 990 Re: Nissan will fall apart [habitat1] by nobodyspecial Oct 15, 2008 (2:35 pm)
Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 15, 2008 5:22 am) Okay, allow me to modify my logic as, at the moment, I am not randomly cruising web sites while shirking my drafting homework. Admittedly my previous post sounded no where near sober and I suppose it in some wierd way warranted a comparison to your 4th grade daughter. Alas the point I want to convey is thus: Honestly, the only way I see the GTR surviving is if Nissan executives decide that having a supercar is so important to its overall image and marketing effort to warrant making it a "loss leader". But in that case, they better damn well give all of those owners that used "launch control" to try to replicate the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times that Nissan has been plastering all over the media as "faster than a Porsche Turbo" a brand new and improved beefier transmission. Free. With a set of golf clubs and round at Pebble Beach for their hassles. Otherwise, the GTR isn't going to be a "halo", it's going to be an embarassment. The Nissan Skyline-the car referred to in this particular thread- is being regarded as if it is "just some random venture" by Nissan Motors and that this production year is its first ever. This is flat out WRONG. While the name has been dumbed down for the market to simply "GT-R" it has existed for many many years, had any of you read the press packets you might know that this car has been around for years (since 1969 around about). I only know what I've read in the GT-R owners forum form the link above. So hopefully, for Nissan's sake, the problem isn't as serious as it sounds and/or will be addressed directly and professionally by Nissan. .........why don't you simply put a disclaimer at the end of all of your posts stating that not only are you not an authority on the subject you are arguing in but you actually have no first hand experience with the vehicle, thus saving people the aggravation of dealing with you.......hell dress nice enough and roll into a car lot with a nice car and the right attitude and they'll let you test drive anything.......seriously though, how many car owners out there buy a car and then treat like it has been properly broken in already and systematically abuse it instead of wearing it in? P.S. Since you were such a great math student, and especially since you appear in the mood to split hairs: I trust you can explain how you were able to travel both to and from infinity since it can't be put into literal numerical context hmmmm? I'm not being hyper critical but you have a better chance of approximating GODS physical location than putting infinity into a restricted context with just itself. Replies to this message: madmanmoo (Oct 15, 2008 2:39 pm) lemmer (Oct 16, 2008 5:47 am) habitat1 (Oct 16, 2008 7:00 am)
#914 of 990 Re: Nissan will fall apart [nobodyspecial] by madmanmoo Oct 15, 2008 (2:39 pm)
Replying to: nobodyspecial (Oct 15, 2008 2:35 pm) Hahahahahaha. Well played. At least he didn't bring up his S2000 in that post. He rarely misses an opportunity to speak of it. Just playing around, habitat. Replies to this message: lemmer (Oct 16, 2008 5:47 am)
#916 of 990 Re: Nissan will fall apart [madmanmoo] by lemmer Oct 16, 2008 (5:47 am)
Replying to: madmanmoo (Oct 15, 2008 2:39 pm) I was shocked that he didn't refer to the weight of the 350Z.
#917 of 990 Re: Nissan will fall apart [nobodyspecial] by habitat1 Oct 16, 2008 (7:00 am)
Replying to: nobodyspecial (Oct 15, 2008 2:35 pm) First, thanks for the re-posting. I may not have been diplomatic in my suggestion, but you are obviously a boatload more articulate than the first post suggested. *The Nissan Skyline-the car referred to in this particular thread- is being regarded as if it is "just some random venture" by Nissan Motors and that this production year is its first ever.* Sorry, I know the history of the Skyline, but I don't think that has any bearing upon the issues facing the GTR in the U.S. The Skyline seems to have taken so many forms over the years (sedan, coupe, GT, but never a real sports car) that it would take a Nissan fanatic or forensic scientist to trace any DNA connection betwen the Skyline and the Nissan GTR. As a matter of fact, according to Nissan, the Skyline and GTR are not as directly linked as the Skyline and G35/350Z are: "The 11th generation (V35) Nissan Skyline, introduced in June 2001, was based on Nissan's FM platform, shared with the 350Z. The Nissan Skyline used a front-midship engine (VQ35DE), rear-wheel drive layout (all-wheel drive was available for the sedan) to achieve a 52%/48% weight distribution. The V35 was the first Skyline made for export to the United States. There it was sold under the company's luxury brand, Infiniti as the Infiniti G35." why don't you simply put a disclaimer at the end of all of your posts stating that not only are you not an authority on the subject you are arguing in but you actually have no first hand experience with the vehicle, thus saving people the aggravation of dealing with you....... Excuse me? I thought I was being kind to Nissan by qualifying my concern over the transmission failures and launch control problems as coming from reports on the Nissan Owner's forum. This isn't a Nissan Owner's forum. This is Edmunds. Does anybody here own a GTR? You, smart ass? I didn't think so. The difference is I qualified my statement, whereas you are falsely posing as an authority while shirking your homework. Probably not the kind of study habits that will ever put you in the seat of a GTR. Or an S2000 or overweight 350Z for that matter. *I trust you can explain how you were able to travel both to and from infinity since it can't be put into literal numerical context hmmmm?* Truth be told, I stayed put. But if you are having a tough time getting beyond 3 or 4 dimensional thinking (when you aren't 2 dimensionally drafting or 1 dimensionally advocating for Nissan), you might want to look into the latest theories by Dr. Michio Kaku or Stephen Hawking. Dr. Michio Kaku
#919 of 990 by nobodyspecial Oct 16, 2008 (6:15 pm)
........Christ.......touche' It becomes a shade more painfully obvious that I am outclassed here. Although I have no idea what the 4th dimension (time) or how Stephen Hawking and Michio Kaku are relevant to the situation other than to be a jab. Although if you want a summation of their theories and thinking (minus the mathematics involved) feel free to read Steven Kings "Dark Tower" series it's a great deal more entertaining and doesnt require a Doctors of Philosophy degree to understand the implied ideas contained therein and at least doesnt make you sound like an idiot to every sober person at a cocktail party when you start spouting off about it. Sorry, I know the history of the Skyline, but I don't think that has any bearing upon the issues facing the GTR in the U.S. The Skyline seems to have taken so many forms over the years (sedan, coupe, GT, but never a real sports car) that it would take a Nissan fanatic or forensic scientist to trace any DNA connection betwen the Skyline and the Nissan GTR. You're kidding me here right? I dont mean to sound like a spastic Nissan fan here but...... "Between 1969 and 1974, and again between 1989 and 2002, Nissan produced a high performance version of its Skyline range, called the Nissan Skyline GT-R. This car proved to be iconic for Nissan[6][7] and achieved much fame and success on road and track. The Nissan GT-R, although no longer carrying the "Skyline" badge, has heritage in the Nissan Skyline GT-R. Like the Skyline GT-Rs R32 through R34, the Nissan GT-R is all-wheel drive with a twin-turbo 6 cylinder engine; however, the evolutionary, incremental changes between Skyline models R32 through R34 have been done away with. The four-wheel-steering HICAS system has been removed, and the traditional straight-6 RB26DETT engine has been replaced with a new V6 VR38DETT.[8] Because of the GT-R's heritage, the chassis code for the all-new version has been called CBA-R35,[9] or 'R35' for short, carrying on the naming trend from previous Skyline GT-R generations. The GT-R has also retained its Skyline predecessor's nickname Godzilla.[10][11]" Oh my god, I'm not an engineering student! I'm a Forensic Scientist!!! Who would have guessed at that! ............Unless heritage means something other than inherited traits?.....Wait thats it! Maybe I'm wrong here, maybe it actually means something along the lines of "It once split the rent on an apartment for a month with your third cousin." .......and with that I return your forum and solitary square of control in the universe or at least that denoted by "String" or "Universe on the Brane" theory unto you so that you may once again collapse back into semantics over which car you would never own because it has such and such problem when in reality none of us would post in ANY x vs. y forum if we truly had the money to freely purchase either car x or y, all the while (usually) anonymously singing the praises of car Z which is indeed the one that we own in real life be it an S2000 a tubby bitch 350z or even a 90's civic si hatch (oops guess I'm guilty too) Now as for the dude who said the driver makes the car. You're right SCCA and Laguna Seca for life kids. By the way for what it's worth and from what I have found the transmission is not actually of nissan manufacture, its from a company called B&W and they are the same company that did the tranny for the Bugatti Veryron (which apparently had a shitload of problems initially as well) ........thats all the effort I'm putting into this. Replies to this message: habitat1 (Oct 18, 2008 6:08 am) nobodyspecial (Oct 18, 2008 7:43 am)
#920 of 990 Re: Nissan will fall apart [skarie] by nobodyspecial Oct 16, 2008 (7:08 pm)
Replying to: skarie (Oct 11, 2008 5:50 pm) Well the way the economy is going we may need to put four more zeroes on that $100 so that it may be worth something in 2028, but one thing is for sure, In 2028 there will be a new and exciting GTR while Porsche on the other hand may be stuck with the same design for the last 60 years. Thats proable why they bought VW/AUDI/LAMBO, they will need to sell thousands R8s to make a profit. ..........Ya know a new 944 wouldnt be a bad idea Replies to this message: skarie (Oct 17, 2008 1:57 pm) nobodyspecial (Oct 17, 2008 6:43 pm) habitat1 (Oct 18, 2008 6:18 am) and 2 more...
#921 of 990 Re: Nissan will fall apart [nobodyspecial] by skarie Oct 17, 2008 (1:57 pm)
Replying to: nobodyspecial (Oct 16, 2008 7:08 pm) Ya know a new 944 wouldnt be a bad idea Porsche already has a Boxster, i dont see the need for that car. What i think Porsche should do is resurrect the Carrera using the same V10 engine and also use the same twin turbo set up that audi uses in there RS6 sedan. Now that would be something special, do i hear 800HP. Replies to this message: nobodyspecial (Oct 17, 2008 6:43 pm) habitat1 (Oct 18, 2008 6:18 am) nobodyspecial (Oct 18, 2008 7:52 am) and 1 more...