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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)
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Nissan offers Porsche free driving tips http://www.motorauthority.com/nissan-maintains-gt-r-nurburgring-lap-time-was-leg- itimate.html Maybe they drove it wrong, who knows. |
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Nissan Already Using Black Box Data To Void GT-R Warranty Claims This is not good. http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=25361
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Nissan may have beaten Porsche around the Nurburgring but they now have alot more competition. A new record was smashed today. Five supercars, Enzo Ferrari, Koenigsegg CCX, Maserati MC12, Pagani Zonda F Clubsport and Porsche Carrera GT got together at the Nürburgring Nordschleife to see if any could set a new production car lap record around the 12.8 mile long circuit. And the winner was Maserati MC12 with an incredible 7:24.29, not only fastest of the group but also setting a new production car lap record in the process. The MC12 was the heaviest car of the group, with ‘old fashioned’ steel brakes and conventional dampers, yet took them all on, and triumphed convincingly. Second quickest was the Pagani, a bespoke creation of a small Italian niche builder, its enormous 7.3 liter Mercedes engine contributed to a remarkable time of 7:24.65. Third quickest was the Enzo Ferrari, with a very impressive 7:25.21. It might have been able to go quicker – but the electronic dampers at the rear of the car stopped working, on two separate laps on different days. http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/maserati-mc12-smashes-n-rburgring-lap-reco- rd-ar65210.html
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Replying to: skarie (Oct 10, 2008 1:10 pm) |
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Lets take into consideration where these two cars will be in ten or so years. The Porsche will still be out there somewhere giviing someone driving pleasure. The Nissan will be buried in some junkyard somewhere. I know. I had a Infinity G35 that should of been junked after 30k miles. Typical Nissan Junk. I asked a few of my fellow sport car owners about the Nissan GTR. Out of twenty of us, only one would consider the Nissan. The rest were almost divided between the Porsche, a new Chevy ZR1, or the Dodge Viper ACR.
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Replying to: dvsutton (Oct 10, 2008 8:17 pm)  , I could probably name 20 cars i would take over that piece of old crap. Hmm. M3 M5 M6. GTR. Audi S5. CLK AMG Black series. IS-F to name a few. And i also dissagree, in 20 years there will be even a newer and better GTR. Maybe a 7.6 liter 960HP V12 turbo 4 engine.
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Replying to: skarie (Oct 11, 2008 8:32 am) Maybe a 7.6 liter 960HP V12 turbo 4 engine. Put me down for $100 on the other side of that bet. The GTR will contribute absolutely nothing of significance to Nissan's bottom line. And if they end up in class action lawsuits over the "launch control" mess and transmission failures, as the link above suggests, it will be a net negative. Honda/Acura have ten times the Formula 1 experience and focus as Nissan/Infiniti and yet, after the NSX was intorduced, it was tweaked once or twice and left to whither on the vine. Now the purported comeback is more about capitalizing on nastalgia than about continuing a consistent effort. Even my beloved Honda S2000, which was, IMO, more relatively impressive when it was introduced than the GTR is today, has all but dissapeared from Honda lots. You either make high performance cars a priority as a company, or you don't. The GTR may be a great one hit wonder, but I don't think it's going to get a fraction of the consistent management attention, engineering effort and ongoing development dollars that Porsche has put into the 911 year in and year out over the past 40 years. The 911 is the backbone of Porsche. Altimas and Sentras are the backbone of Nissan. And there isn't any amount of halo effect from a GTR that can convince anyone that a CVT tranmsioned Maxima is a "4 door sports car" or that a bloated 3,600 lb 350Z roadster is remotely close to a 2,800 lb Boxster or S2000. So as good as the GTR is, what the hell are the rest of the Nissan engineers doing? Even the reports in the owners club forum of how Nissan is responding (or, rather, not responding) to early purchasers of the GTR that are having transmision issues leads me to believe that the end is a hell of a lot nearer than 20 years. Especially if current economic conditions persist for another 2-3 years as has been predicted. So who's going to hold our $100 bills until 2028??
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Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 11, 2008 11:34 am) The last time i checked Renaut was the one that owned Nissan, so like it or not but Renault/Nissan won the world championship in 2005, when was the last time Honda won a race. Maybe Honda should stick to building what they know best Accords and Civics. As for for Acura, have you seen the new TL,it appears somewon left an ironingboard on the front of the grill,it now competes with the CTS as the ugliest cars in there class. You say the 350Z 3,600 lbs well the new Acua TL with SH-AWD comes in at 4000 lbs, it is also faster than the 335 and the G35 around the track. href="http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/honda_acura_central/2010_acura_tl_sh_awd_manual_first_drive_review" or that a bloated 3,600 lb 350Z roadster is remotely close to a 2,800 lb Boxster or S2000Now the S2000 maybe a very good car but it also gets beaten around the track by the 350Z(see video)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHTfCbDK-Mk Well the way the economy is going we may need to put four more zeroes on that $100 so that it may be worth something in 2028, but one thing is for sure, In 2028 there will be a new and exciting GTR while Porsche on the other hand may be stuck with the same design for the last 60 years. Thats proable why they bought VW/AUDI/LAMBO, they will need to sell thousands R8s to make a profit.
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Replying to: skarie (Oct 11, 2008 5:50 pm) Well skarie-san, my video is better than yours - and in mine the S2000 is ahead of the 350Z the entire time: S2000 vs. 350Z vs. M3 vs. M5 In 2028 there will be a new and exciting GTR while Porsche on the other hand may be stuck with the same design for the last 60 years. Thats proable why they bought VW/AUDI/LAMBO, they will need to sell thousands R8s to make a profit. You seem to be high on Nissan Kool Aid and low on business savvy. Nissan has had its share of adventures with bankruptcy. Hence, why they are now owned by that pillar of reliability, Renault. Dare I age myself to say I remember the "Le Car" - as though they had to actually tell you what it was? Porsche, on the other hand, is the most profitable car company in the world - hence why they can afford to buy stock in those other companies. The bottom line here isn't whether the TL is fugly or why a 350Z "roadster" weighs 600 lbs more than my old Maxima. We can put on the gloves and go 15 rounds on those issues in some other forum. The real issue is whether or not Nissan will have the management attention and ongoing development dollars to keep pumping into the GTR so that it stays competitive for the next 20 years. I look at 1,500 sales and already reports of potential customer lawsuits and think, probably not. I've been an executive at a few major corporations and my experience is that "projects" that don't contribute to the bottom line don't usually last past the "let's see if we can do it" stage. One of those companies, who's founders name is still on the company logo, had a simple metricfor new business development: if it can't be a $1 billion business in 3-5 years, we don't want to divert management attention and resources to it. Honestly, the only way I see the GTR surviving is if Nissan executives decide that having a supercar is so important to its overall image and marketing effort to warrant making it a "loss leader". But in that case, they better damn well give all of those owners that used "launch control" to try to replicate the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times that Nissan has been plastering all over the media as "faster than a Porsche Turbo" a brand new and improved beefier transmission. Free. With a set of golf clubs and round at Pebble Beach for their hassles. Otherwise, the GTR isn't going to be a "halo", it's going to be an embarassment.
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