Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo

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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)

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#880 of 990 Guilty until proven innocent? by bigmclargehuge Oct 10, 2008 (9:00 am)
435rwhp on 91 octane. 411whp on Mustang Dyno with 100 octane 472 at the hubs (less resistance than at the wheels, but more than at the crank) 457whp on 96 octane 419hp on 91/100 octane blend Not one report on NAGTROC of an overrated GT-R. They ALL seem to line up with the 520bhp estimate. It may not be the GT-Rs that are 'pot luck' but the testers. What dyno was in use? And yes, that matters. Does the shop tested at have a website? Name? The brakes were already destroyed at 3k miles? What a hunk of shit. Nissan can say what they want, but that doesn't surprise me a bit. Uhhh... they're Brembos. "Vehicle manufacturers using Brembo components include BMW, Porsche and Ferrari" I don't think the brakes are the problem. Seems the drivers and mechanics in Porshce's little experiment aren't really fond of the car. The only funny thing about the article is how Porsche's intention is obviously to NOT come up with a good result. Unbiased, my rear bumper. Porsche is playing games, and you'll grasp at anything. I would find it embarrasing that Porsche got caught destroying the car they were 'testing'. And that they released to the press this little experiment as 'evidence' to anything. Replies to this message: madmanmoo (Oct 10, 2008 9:22 am) bigmclargehuge (Oct 10, 2008 9:44 am) madmanmoo (Oct 10, 2008 10:22 am) and 13 more...
#881 of 990 Re: [bigmclargehuge] by madmanmoo Oct 10, 2008 (9:22 am)
Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 10, 2008 9:00 am) I find it humorous how we can read the same article and get 2 entirely different things out of it. Porsche bought it used. They didn't destroy it. Whoever drove it before them tracked it. And you're buying the story that because the brakes and tires were worn out and it didn't have new fluids in it, that it clocked significantly less speed? Hrm...... It had 3k miles on it. Porsche is very interested to know if the vehicle can do what it claims to. Why? So they can learn from it and get better. Unfortunately, Nissan overstated and aren't happy about it. Brakes? Ya, Brembo makes them for Nissan, not Porsche. They had to cut costs somewhere. You can Nissan Brembos or you can buy Porsche Brembos.... Replies to this message: bigmclargehuge (Oct 10, 2008 9:44 am) madmanmoo (Oct 10, 2008 10:22 am) lemmer (Oct 10, 2008 10:41 am)
#882 of 990 Re: [madmanmoo] by bigmclargehuge Oct 10, 2008 (9:44 am)
Replying to: madmanmoo (Oct 10, 2008 9:22 am) I don't find it humorous at all. The conclusion you draw is again the exact opposite of the article being presented. "Brembo is the first name in high performance braking. OEM suppliers to Porsche and Ferrari" "Brembo brakes are standard equipment on supercar marques such as Aston Martin, Audi, Ferrari, Maserati, Mercedes-Benz, Pagani and Porsche cars" Brembo supplied OEM brakes for the Carrera GT. Porsche puts a "Porsche" sticker on Brembo parts. Woohoo! Yeah, we don't 'cut corners' at all. We'd never use crappy Brembos. So much better than Nissan's brakes... oh, wait. No, you're 100% backwards. Again! And how exactly would 'Porsche Brembos' be any better? Racing is tough on brakes, no matter what car they come on. 'Better' brakes on supercars are measured in stopping distance. I'd say the Carbon Fiber brake rotors on F1 cars are probably 'better' than the Carbon Ceramics on the Turbo. And yet they replace them every 1000 miles of F1 racing.... hmmmm. So what makes you think just because Porsche tested a trashed car (and I don't care who trashed it, looks like it was trashed around their 'record' lap) that it makes it a 'Nissan overstated' scenario? And you're buying the story that because the brakes and tires were worn out and it didn't have new fluids in it, that it clocked significantly less speed? It's your story! And instead of developing a NEW conspiracy theory I'll take Edmunds' word over your interpretation. And at the very least, if they didn't have a fresh set of tires, yes I absolutely do believe they would clock a slower time. First all the Porsche siders said it must be the tires... well, maybe that was true... Nissan didn't use chewed up tires. Cheaters! If Porsche couldn't tell there was something wrong with that particular car, they aren't interested in 'making anything better.' They're smart enough to look up required maintenance. They obviously chose not to. Replies to this message: madmanmoo (Oct 10, 2008 10:22 am) lemmer (Oct 10, 2008 10:41 am)
#883 of 990 Re: [bigmclargehuge] by madmanmoo Oct 10, 2008 (10:22 am)
Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 10, 2008 9:44 am) I find it humorous that you don't find any humor in this. Brembo does indeed manufacture them, to Porsche specifications. They have specific patents for the Porsche design. I will say again, not all Brembos are created equal. You won't find a set of Porsche Brembos burning out after 3k miles. The Nissan Spec-V has Brembos on them, do you think they are the same as the GT-R's? Your argument is hollow at best. So what makes you think just because Porsche tested a trashed car (and I don't care who trashed it, looks like it was trashed around their 'record' lap) that it makes it a 'Nissan overstated' scenario? Nissan overstated their lap times on the Nurburgring or didn't use factory settings. That's what they overstated. It's your story! And instead of developing a NEW conspiracy theory I'll take Edmunds' word over your interpretation. Now you've lost me. I wasn't the author on that story. Someone from Edmunds was.... What are you talking about? And you think that they put their driver in danger by not putting on a new set of tires? Man, you have been drinking way too much of that KoolAid. Run away!!! You're in danger!! If Porsche couldn't tell there was something wrong with that particular car, they aren't interested in 'making anything better.' They're smart enough to look up required maintenance. They obviously chose not to. The humor still persists. Again, they bought it secondhand. They went and got the maintenance done on the vehicle before racing. Learn reading comprehension. Replies to this message: lemmer (Oct 10, 2008 10:41 am)
#884 of 990 Re: [madmanmoo] by lemmer Oct 10, 2008 (10:41 am)
Replying to: madmanmoo (Oct 10, 2008 10:22 am) It seems Porsche was no more successful afterward, I took this to mean that even after Nissan got the car back into top working condition, Porsche didn't achieve a time any better than they had earlier in the day. I agree with Moo about the Brembos. Brakes that hold up to repeated track use are one of the many things that separate a Porsche from a Nissan.
#889 of 990 Re: [bigmclargehuge] by lemmer Oct 10, 2008 (12:11 pm)
I hear the transmissions are failing even faster than the brakes. They shouldn't have launch control on the car if the driveline can't handle it. Replies to this message: lemmer (Oct 10, 2008 12:28 pm) bigmclargehuge (Oct 10, 2008 12:17 pm) nobodyspecial (Oct 14, 2008 8:51 pm)