Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo

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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)

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#857 of 990 Re: Mythical R-comps? [bigmclargehuge] by lemmer Oct 03, 2008 (5:32 am)
Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 03, 2008 5:11 am) "the most unjustly hated car out there" They are sold out at way over MSRP and every magazine says it is the best thing since sliced bread. Where do you get the paranoia? Replies to this message: madmanmoo (Oct 03, 2008 5:36 am) lemmer (Oct 03, 2008 9:39 am) bigmclargehuge (Oct 03, 2008 10:42 pm)
#858 of 990 Re: Mythical R-comps? [bigmclargehuge] by madmanmoo Oct 03, 2008 (5:34 am)
Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 03, 2008 5:11 am) Unfortunately, I don't have a catalogue of GT-R hating magazines on hand. Sorry. I remember reading numerous times how the GT-R was fast, but not as fast as had been hyped. Google it. I'm sure you'll find just as many publications there. I guess I'm still in basic physics. Yes, it doesn't make sense. I'll go with the Porsche engineers over you, bigm. They've been putting out the best sports cars for quite awhile. World beaters. If the stats displayed by the Nissan don't add up to them, then they certainly don't add up to me. Tires, overboost, weight reduction? Your opinion is welcome and valid in its own rite, but Porsche trumps you. As they said, "Nice, but not that nice." Replies to this message: skarie (Oct 03, 2008 9:13 am) madmanmoo (Oct 03, 2008 10:08 am)
#859 of 990 Re: Mythical R-comps? [lemmer] by madmanmoo Oct 03, 2008 (5:36 am)
Replying to: lemmer (Oct 03, 2008 5:32 am) Ya, I'm starting to get the feeling that we have a closet fanboy here. Replies to this message: lemmer (Oct 03, 2008 9:39 am) bigmclargehuge (Oct 03, 2008 10:42 pm)
#860 of 990 GTR vs 911 TURBO VIDEO by skarie Oct 03, 2008 (9:06 am)
Fifth Gear comparison So lets see who won this race.. http://lethistorylive.com/2008/09/nissan-gt-r-vs-porsche-911-turbo-by.html
#861 of 990 NISSAN ANSWERS PORSCHE by skarie Oct 03, 2008 (9:08 am)
Nissan answers to Porsche, defending its Nurburgring lap time Earlier this week we told that Porsche is accusing Nissan for cheating, more exactly the GT-R couldn’t race a lap on the Nurburgring (Nordschleife) racetrack in just 7 minutes and 29 seconds. In order to demonstrate this Porsche bought a standard Nissan GT-R, brought it to the German racetrack and the surprise came out: the GT-R raced the lap in 7 minutes and 54 seconds, with over 25 seconds more than the lap raced by Nissan driver. After this, came the response of Nissan which was quite simple: “We’re not going to get into a war of words with Porsche. The final word from us is that it was done on absolutely standard tyres which are available to customers in the showroom. Normal Dunlop road tires, that come with the car!” said Nissan’s European spokesman Neil Reeve http://www.autospies.com/news/Nissan-answers-to-Porsche-defending-its-Nurburgrin- g-lap-time-35549/
#862 of 990 Re: Mythical R-comps? [madmanmoo] by skarie Oct 03, 2008 (9:13 am)
Replying to: madmanmoo (Oct 03, 2008 5:34 am) Found only one so far, but this still does not prove anything. http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/coupes/2008_bmw_m3_vs_2009_n- issan_gt_r_vs_2008_porsche_911_turbo_comparison_test+page-3.html Replies to this message: madmanmoo (Oct 03, 2008 10:08 am)
#863 of 990 Re: Mythical R-comps? [madmanmoo] by lemmer Oct 03, 2008 (9:39 am)
Replying to: madmanmoo (Oct 03, 2008 5:36 am) The GT-R seems to bring out the fanboys more than anything else. I used to think the Corvette guys were irrational... Replies to this message: bigmclargehuge (Oct 03, 2008 10:42 pm)
#864 of 990 Re: Mythical R-comps? [skarie] by madmanmoo Oct 03, 2008 (10:08 am)
Replying to: skarie (Oct 03, 2008 9:13 am) Thanks, Skarie. That was one specifically that I had read. There are others that can't match the same times. None of these prove anything beyond the fact that the testing times are varying wildly. It's fast. But the question is, is it Porsche fast? And that appears to be untrue, especially when Nissan simply says that it was on real tires, case closed. Sour grapes or truth? My bias leans towards the Porsche. They are the ones that have been so dominant in racing over the last 40 years, not Nissan. I would trust them to put out the best vehicles available for tracking. My opinion.
#865 of 990 Re: Mythical R-comps? [lemmer] by bigmclargehuge Oct 03, 2008 (10:42 pm)
Replying to: lemmer (Oct 03, 2008 9:39 am) The GT-R also draws a lot of irrational doubt. Do you even understand what irrational means? Because I don't think you do. Always backward. Irrational is defined as that which is not endowed with reason or understanding. Lack of understanding is demonstrated every time someone says 'something doesn't add up.' Having all the data laid out before you and making a wrong conclusion? To keep on pushing points that don't matter or are totally backwards? Acting against probability. That would make you 100% irrational. Logic deals principally with provable facts and demonstrably valid relations* between them.* My posts are not only rational but logical. Yours choose to ignore fact entirely are based on heresy and conjecture. You're not only of irrational but illogical. By definition. Even the Car and Driver post that Scarie posted up, the GT-R still came back with the best lap time, even though they chose the M3 as their choice for best Grand Tourer. (No offense to scarie, seems like you're without bias in this.) Thats 2 I didn't even remember. We're up to what? 8 track tests where the GT-R is 'Porsche fast' on the track? None of these prove anything beyond the fact that the testing times are varying wildly. It's fast. But the question is, is it Porsche fast? And that appears to be untrue, especially when Nissan simply says that it was on real tires, case closed. Thats not a fact. There is one illogical argument and one flat out lie in your post. For those that don't get it, no matter how heavy the car is, it has a 100% kill rate against the GT3 and Turbo. 100% is not wildly varying. And a 50% kill rate against the GT2. All that on STOCK tires. Verified. 'Porsche fast' is rational, as it is based on 100% probability. Saying 'the times are varying wildly' over and over is basically dishonest at this point. And what is with the 'case closed' again. Nissan said it used the tires you can buy at the dealership... so how exactly did you reach the illogical conclusion that that proves its not 'Porsche fast.' Say it as many times as you want, thats just making more illogical posts. And for those that don't know the aftermarket: if Nissan committed the crime, there would have to be the smoking gun of the tires, which do not exist. They CAN'T use tires that don't exist. Not that they need them, since the RE070R RFTs were developed specifically for making this heavy car grip. Porsche clearly isn't in the detective business. Actually Nissan trumps Porsche, because they have an unlimited source of unbiased tests to back it up i.e. the more 'rational' story to believe. Seriously, the more people say 'it doesn't add up' makes me laugh at how outdated their internal calculators must be Time for an upgrade Its not a nice car, its mean.
#866 of 990 My Test by spiritinthesky Oct 04, 2008 (3:40 am)
Sorry to interupt the "Nissan says" vs. "Porsche says" war, but since I finally got to run my GT2 against a GT-R Thursday afternoon, I thought I'd report the results. The GT-R is owned by a long time car collecting friend and was one of the inagural 25 GT-R's delivered to a private owner in the country. His stable of cars still includes a Lamborghini Countach, Maserati Merak, Porsche 930 and Acura NSX among 10+/- others. We took the cars out to a private airstrip that I have access to. Both cars are fairly well broken in, mine with 4,000+ miles, his with almost 3,000. We did a few practice runs at out to about 3/8 mile and then went at it, head to head for 3 runs driving our own car and 2 more runs driving each other's car. Up to approximately 750 to 1,000 feet, the lead depended upon who got the best start. If the race stopped there, it was 3-2 in favor of the GT-R. But after about 1,000 feet (shift from 2nd to 3rd in the GT2), the GT2 clearly had more power and even with my friend shifting it more gingerly than me, was ahead by 1,500 +/- feet. By 2,400 feet, the end of our run, the GT2 was anywhere from 75 to 150+ feet ahead and pulling away. Every single time, no matter who was driving. And guess what? That "adds up", given that the GT2 is nearly 700 pounds lighter is rated at 50 more horsepower and 75 more ft.lbs of torque. No rocket science degree needed here, but just in case, I happen to have one. Round two will be held sometime next spring at Summit Point Raceway, where we rent the track for a day annually with a group and have some friendly wagers on who can post the best lap time and live to brag about it. That's more a test of the driver than the car, but we agreed to swap again to try to make it objective. What does our little friendly unofficial test mean, objectively, subjectively, rationally, irrationally, logically, illogically?? You can decide. I certainly didn't buy a GT2 just to have airstrip/dragstrip bragging rights. Nor did my friend buy his GT-R for that purpose. I don't feel the slightest bit bigger, larger or huge-er for having "won" and he's certainly not crying because he "lost". But for a certain poster that has a bevy of narcisistic, arrogant and insulting tendencies, maybe it's time for you to upgrade your attitude. And perhaps consider cutting your posts in half and use the extra hour or two a day to focus on your career so you can drive the car of your choice, instead of reading reviews ad nauseum and posing as a couch potato authority. Replies to this message: bigmclargehuge (Oct 04, 2008 5:20 am) madmanmoo (Oct 06, 2008 4:44 am) lemmer (Oct 06, 2008 6:20 am) spiritinthesky (Oct 10, 2008 6:16 am)