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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)
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Replying to: lemmer (Oct 02, 2008 1:00 pm) Because the wheels themselves are a performance enhancement. The 'knurling' along the edge prevents excess tire contorsion. And they didn't develop the tires themselves. They contracted Bridgestone to build them a run-flat with tremendous grip and pliability. They literally took the fact that it would be an AWD car and its weight into account when building the tire. They didn't develop a rim just to get around the tire monitor, but it is linked into the ATTESA system. The system measures feedback directly from the wheels so it knows when to engage the traction control. The tires are made specifically for those wheels. They are borderline R-comps as it is. About the same as the Pilot Sport Cups used on the GT2. The point is, there never were any slick-cut R-comps on this car. They don't exist. I don't know how you didn't pick up on that. Never developed, never marketed. The RE070R's are the best tire Nissan had specially developed for this car. The other likelihood is that there was no dialed-up boost. All GT-Rs coming from the factory have in excess of 480hp. Whatever power/weight ratio you think this car has is probably way off. How is it 'case closed' if it hasn't been verified? And no, Porche's claim reeks of bogus conspiracy theory. It CAN'T be the way they say it is. The slick-cut tire myth is beyond the realm of logical possibility. And Sport Auto's test in the wet proves it could be faster. So the default is that the GT-R remains significantly faster than the Turbo everywhere but a drag strip. So your post was pretty much all backwards.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 03, 2008 3:45 am) Porsche is just backing up what we've all been thinking. Something isn't quite right here. I have read just as many magazine articles that claim the GT-R isn't quite as fast as all the hype made it out to be. Why would Nissan do this? Because they get more press! That's a really simple reason. They had every magazine talking about how they were the next Porsche Killer. It's a nice car, just not that nice.
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Replying to: madmanmoo (Oct 03, 2008 5:02 am) Where exactly can you find as many examples where a GT-R wasn't as fast around a track as expected? I've seen none. It has always come within 1 second of the Porsche GT2 wherever it was tested. Please cite sources. Track times only. I've seen 6 where it went up against the Turbo or GT3 and beat it or the GT2 and tied with it. Kills Porsches on every British, Japanese and American track. And likely the Nurburgring. Your opinion about how nice it is is useless. And what isn't quite right? If you're still on power/weight ratios, that is exactly the false data I'm talking about. "Basic physics" is for people who never made it to advanced physics. Coefficient of friction, handling balance... these matter far more while cornering. The AWD system changes the vector of the vehicle rapidly, there is literally front-wheel thrust countering inertia. Thats a proven fact on skidpads and slaloms. None of what doesn't add up to you matters. Basic calculations for basic understanding. It not making sense to you doesn't make Porsche right. |
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 03, 2008 5:11 am) They are sold out at way over MSRP and every magazine says it is the best thing since sliced bread. Where do you get the paranoia?
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Oct 03, 2008 5:11 am) I guess I'm still in basic physics. Yes, it doesn't make sense. I'll go with the Porsche engineers over you, bigm. They've been putting out the best sports cars for quite awhile. World beaters. If the stats displayed by the Nissan don't add up to them, then they certainly don't add up to me. Tires, overboost, weight reduction? Your opinion is welcome and valid in its own rite, but Porsche trumps you. As they said, "Nice, but not that nice."
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Replying to: lemmer (Oct 03, 2008 5:32 am)
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Fifth Gear comparison So lets see who won this race.. http://lethistorylive.com/2008/09/nissan-gt-r-vs-porsche-911-turbo-by.html |
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Nissan answers to Porsche, defending its Nurburgring lap time Earlier this week we told that Porsche is accusing Nissan for cheating, more exactly the GT-R couldn’t race a lap on the Nurburgring (Nordschleife) racetrack in just 7 minutes and 29 seconds. In order to demonstrate this Porsche bought a standard Nissan GT-R, brought it to the German racetrack and the surprise came out: the GT-R raced the lap in 7 minutes and 54 seconds, with over 25 seconds more than the lap raced by Nissan driver. After this, came the response of Nissan which was quite simple: “We’re not going to get into a war of words with Porsche. The final word from us is that it was done on absolutely standard tyres which are available to customers in the showroom. Normal Dunlop road tires, that come with the car!”¯ said Nissan’s European spokesman Neil Reeve http://www.autospies.com/news/Nissan-answers-to-Porsche-defending-its-Nurburgrin- g-lap-time-35549/ |
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Replying to: madmanmoo (Oct 03, 2008 5:34 am) http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/coupes/2008_bmw_m3_vs_2009_n- issan_gt_r_vs_2008_porsche_911_turbo_comparison_test+page-3.html
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Replying to: madmanmoo (Oct 03, 2008 5:36 am)
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