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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)
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Replying to: 07997turbo (Apr 22, 2008 9:40 pm) Many of them sound very special indeed. A GT-R owner would get as much attention as a 911turbo owner, just from a slightly different crowd of car fans. To some, owning a rarer, faster, and more aggressive styled car is worth a snap-shot and a compliment when viewed in person. Some might argue that the V-Spec will make old news of the GT2. Some might not, but that's because they are both impressive cars. To each their own. But I don't get the Audi V12 diesel comparison. That engine is not bound for the US in that car, so it will not compete with the 'Nissan thing.' |
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Replying to: 07997turbo (Apr 22, 2008 9:40 pm) seeing a 911/ turbo is just like seeing a vette. its just another porsche like the vette is another vette-z06 or not. even when the zr-1 comes it will be seen as just another vette after its been on the road for alittle. the GT-R will be rare. the 911 turbo isnt. the GT-R will command alot more attention from people. even 911, 911 TT, and GT3 owners will stare at the GT-R from their car when they seee one on the road. the GT-R will look different from anything else on the road. its styling is closer to being exotic than anything. i cant say the same from the styling of the 911. its not exotic at all |
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Replying to: 240ka (Apr 28, 2008 3:46 pm) Suzuki, Honda, Kawasaki all make fast bikes that look "exotic" for a year.... and then end up in a bone yard or pared behind a garage to rust away in 5 years Such is the demise of the "Rice crowd". Fine german engineering can only be recognized and appreciated by those who study and understand it. Not to many "Nissan collectors" out there these days... 
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Replying to: 07997turbo (Apr 30, 2008 4:35 pm) This is not a motorcycle. But sports motorcycles and dirtbikes, etc do become obsolete fast. Thats just because they make tremendous improvements almost yearly. A sports bike from 5 years ago cannot compete with one from today without heavy modification. Its just cheaper and easier to replace them than keep them going past 5 years. Some people with cruisers, etc keep them much longer. However, that is dependent on the type more than the brand. The average life of a KTM or a BMW sportsmachine is probably more or less the same as a Japanese one. But that does not bolster any argument about GT-Rs. They are a coveted item even for being only right-hand drive. Its just that some people don't want the aggrivation of driving a J-spec one over here. German engineers spend a rediculous amount of time trying to make the car go.... yup, faster. You might like the styling better. You might be a sucker for their marketing. And mostly namebranding. A 90's era GT-R is a fantastic machine. We'd collect them in the US if they were ever made availabe, guaranteed. As of 1989, Nissan had a car that was the predominant automotive engineering accomplishment. They just had to take a break and come back in 2009 with an update. Which again, defies all expectations. I know its not the engineering that draws people to collect Porsches. Obviously there are a plethora of cars that are better engineered than 70's, 80's, 90's era 911s. You don't buy one of those for engineering. Or even feel. Something else has it trumped at this point. Its nostalgia and the badge. Nostalgia does not factor into how good these modern cars are. We're not comparing 40 years ago. I can appreciate a 1960's-era Muscle Car and still think the new ones aren't that good. I don't really think those that study the engineering of cars necessarily go Porsche. I've seen a lot of situations where Porsche owners don't even know that much about their own cars. They just use the 'german engineering' tag line. And they certainly don't know or have a bad opinion of engineering by other makes. Those that know the most about cars appreciate many different makes and models equally. And this is important: engineering quality changes over time. Its just a Porsche. Its just a car. |
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Replying to: 07997turbo (Apr 30, 2008 4:35 pm) The appeal of the GT-R isn't just the speed or handling or that it can smoke an unmodified 911 turbo in every category. The fun of the GT-R is in the legend. Porsche doesn't have a developed story about a legend, it's just a Porsche. I guess you could say the name means something but for most of us it's just a name that means money. There's a certain degree of mystery and natural fascination with the GT-R because it's like a dream you can never quite remember. It's there, and then gone again leaving hints of the memory behind to piece together. The idea of a car becoming a methphor representing that mystery, surprise and dominance is the fun part. That is what sets the GT-R apart from the competition and makes it more than just a car. Would you rather own a name or an actual object that is a living metaphorical legend for power and dominance? For me one is far more rare than the other and the experience in knowing what the GT-R really stands for means much more than driving a Porsche. And for the record, this will be the first Nissan Skyline GT-R into the United States. You can get there WILL BE COLLECTORS and they will still be leaving most Porsche's behind. Jay Leno will probably be one of the first in line to get one. Also, give the GT-R 6 months to a year and with some more boost from 11 PSI to 25 or maybe even 30 depending on what the engine can handle. When that happens, you will have an AWD rocket capable of pushing over 1000 hp on pump fuel. How much is a Veyron again? Doesn't matter...it wil still be trying to catch up. oh and the GT-R remains a sports car even in the rain and snow. So, not only can it smoke 99% of EXOTICS and MUSCLES but you can drive it anywhere and not be worried about what happens off the track. Oh yes, I don't think this will be one fast car ending up in a bone yard. No, no, the legend will live on! But then again...just a thought. |
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Link to the Sickness Link to the craziness Nurburgring lap time for GT-R: 7:29 Note: It does not specify V-spec. What it appears they are saying is that in dry conditions, the stock GT-R on stock tires is 9 seconds faster than on wet pavement. Surprised? You shouldn't be. This truly is the start of the next generation of GT cars. One can only guess how fast the V-spec will be. 7.10s? 7.00s?
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Replying to: speed6driver (May 01, 2008 4:22 am) $70k gets you so much more and personally I would rather buy the object than the name. |
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this puts the nail in the coffin. for anyone that still wants to claim the z06 and 911 TT still has a chance of achieving times like the GT-R on the track. or can even rival it for that matter http://www.nissaneurope-newsbureau.com/nissanmedia/front?controller=SubRubrik&id- =nissan_europe_press_room_10772091931250/news_and_events_10772871591872/presse_r- eleases_10781508884370/corporate_10781511772180&pubId=gt_r_achieves_under______a- t_nurburgring_12095056384513968
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Replying to: 240ka (May 01, 2008 8:21 am)  Incredible car though. Far beyond my initial expectations. |
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 01, 2008 6:24 am) absolute insanity
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