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Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo

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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo
- Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)


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Wow, busy day here. by claires HOST
Apr 11, 2008 (6:04 pm)
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I've removed a number of posts from this discussion. If you notice that yours are missing and you'd like them back, please email me and I'll send them to you. A few barely respectful posts still remain because they contain potential seeds for productive and civil discussion if cooler heads can prevail.
 
A few other things...
* Bias, subjectivity, and personal experience are valid factors in formulating any opinion.
* All opinions are valued here, as long as they apply to cars.
* The cars being discussed here are not Subarus. Subaru Forums are here: http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.eea1a91/
 
What I'm hearing is that nearly everyone here acknowledges the price and speed of the GT-R, but that opinions vary when it comes to the effect that these factors will have in the the hearts, minds, imaginations, and wallets of drivers. This is something that can be discussed without getting personal.
 
If you have any questions or comments, please send me an email.
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Re: Porsche needs to try harder [jim39t] by bigmclargehuge
Apr 13, 2008 (4:34 am)
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Replying to: jim39t (Apr 06, 2008 7:12 am)

Anyone else read the May 2008 Road & Track cover story (“Outrageous! Nissan’s GT-R SPANKS Porsche 911 Turbo and Corvette Z06”)? The testers thought that the 2wd of the Corvette was insufficient for the power (like trying to control a wild beast on a leash), and that the Porsche Turbo’s rear end could get unglued suddenly and make for a wild ride. GT-R wasn’t plagued by either problem, and soundly “spanks!” the other two at the track, with rather huge lap time wins. All reviewers raved about the GT-R on the track.
 
I finally got that issue in the mail. Seeing the GT-R up next to its competitors, it's styling is actually starting to grow on me. At least in white anyway. I also like black or red. Any color but the silver they were using on all the prototypes works for that car, IMHO.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [habitat1] by 07997turbo
Apr 22, 2008 (8:54 pm)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Dec 16, 2007 4:09 am)

Personally, I would rather roll at 194 MPH in my 911 turbo than in a two ton Japanese train wreck. As for the turbo not being the Pinnacle of the Porsche line.... It was... if only for a few months. I should add that I was highly dissapointed that my dealer DIDNT say "Hey.... hold on a few months.... there's something better coming down the pipe"...
 
None the less! Once the warranty runs dry, I am installing the larger turbines and the new software to get the 550 HP I deserve.... darnit...
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [chrmdome] by 07997turbo
Apr 22, 2008 (9:40 pm)
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Replying to: chrmdome (Dec 26, 2007 1:57 pm)

there are so many cars out there that look all the same... from Nissan to toyota/Lexus... and they are all "nice cars". The thing is.... I cant tell you how many times I have had people walk up to me and compliment my 997 turbo. It happened two times today alone! One guy just "Had to hear it rev up" which I was glad to do for him. Owning a Porsche is like being part of a very special family. It isnt always about speakers(though I really enjoy my Bose system) or pop down video games for the kids. with me, it is simply the road, the machine and I. I admit when I first recieved shipment of my car, I had a great time watching every car on the interstate simply dissapear behind me. Now, a year later, I STILL love how my rear view mirror works
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It's all moot now by 07997turbo
Apr 22, 2008 (11:39 pm)
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After Audi's new V-12 Diesel clearly outpowered both Penske's and DHL's RS Spyders in the last ALMS race, this new "Nissan thing" is now no longer the main issue.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [07997turbo] by bigmclargehuge
Apr 23, 2008 (11:25 am)
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Replying to: 07997turbo (Apr 22, 2008 9:40 pm)

Owning a Porsche is like being part of a very special family.
 
Many of them sound very special indeed.
 
A GT-R owner would get as much attention as a 911turbo owner, just from a slightly different crowd of car fans. To some, owning a rarer, faster, and more aggressive styled car is worth a snap-shot and a compliment when viewed in person.
 
Some might argue that the V-Spec will make old news of the GT2. Some might not, but that's because they are both impressive cars. To each their own.
 
But I don't get the Audi V12 diesel comparison. That engine is not bound for the US in that car, so it will not compete with the 'Nissan thing.'
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [07997turbo] by 240ka
Apr 28, 2008 (3:46 pm)
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Replying to: 07997turbo (Apr 22, 2008 9:40 pm)

please tell me what you are talking about. most people cant even tell the difference between any of the 911 platforms. ha, most cant even tell the difference between a boxster/cayman and 911.
 
seeing a 911/ turbo is just like seeing a vette. its just another porsche like the vette is another vette-z06 or not. even when the zr-1 comes it will be seen as just another vette after its been on the road for alittle.
 
the GT-R will be rare. the 911 turbo isnt. the GT-R will command alot more attention from people. even 911, 911 TT, and GT3 owners will stare at the GT-R from their car when they seee one on the road.
 
the GT-R will look different from anything else on the road. its styling is closer to being exotic than anything. i cant say the same from the styling of the 911. its not exotic at all
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [240ka] by 07997turbo
Apr 30, 2008 (4:35 pm)
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Replying to: 240ka (Apr 28, 2008 3:46 pm)

I must respectfully disagree with everything you just said.
 
Suzuki, Honda, Kawasaki all make fast bikes that look "exotic" for a year.... and then end up in a bone yard or pared behind a garage to rust away in 5 years Such is the demise of the "Rice crowd".
 
Fine german engineering can only be recognized and appreciated by those who study and understand it.
 
Not to many "Nissan collectors" out there these days...
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo [07997turbo] by bigmclargehuge
May 01, 2008 (4:17 am)
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Replying to: 07997turbo (Apr 30, 2008 4:35 pm)

^^^^ I must respectfully call that irrelevant. This is more or less a debate, so I don't mean to sound short.
 
This is not a motorcycle. But sports motorcycles and dirtbikes, etc do become obsolete fast. Thats just because they make tremendous improvements almost yearly. A sports bike from 5 years ago cannot compete with one from today without heavy modification. Its just cheaper and easier to replace them than keep them going past 5 years. Some people with cruisers, etc keep them much longer. However, that is dependent on the type more than the brand. The average life of a KTM or a BMW sportsmachine is probably more or less the same as a Japanese one.
 
But that does not bolster any argument about GT-Rs. They are a coveted item even for being only right-hand drive. Its just that some people don't want the aggrivation of driving a J-spec one over here.
 
German engineers spend a rediculous amount of time trying to make the car go.... yup, faster. You might like the styling better. You might be a sucker for their marketing. And mostly namebranding.
 
A 90's era GT-R is a fantastic machine. We'd collect them in the US if they were ever made availabe, guaranteed. As of 1989, Nissan had a car that was the predominant automotive engineering accomplishment. They just had to take a break and come back in 2009 with an update. Which again, defies all expectations.
 
I know its not the engineering that draws people to collect Porsches. Obviously there are a plethora of cars that are better engineered than 70's, 80's, 90's era 911s. You don't buy one of those for engineering. Or even feel. Something else has it trumped at this point. Its nostalgia and the badge.
 
Nostalgia does not factor into how good these modern cars are. We're not comparing 40 years ago. I can appreciate a 1960's-era Muscle Car and still think the new ones aren't that good.
 
I don't really think those that study the engineering of cars necessarily go Porsche. I've seen a lot of situations where Porsche owners don't even know that much about their own cars. They just use the 'german engineering' tag line. And they certainly don't know or have a bad opinion of engineering by other makes. Those that know the most about cars appreciate many different makes and models equally. And this is important: engineering quality changes over time.
 
Its just a Porsche. Its just a car.

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