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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)
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I've removed a number of posts from this discussion. If you notice that yours are missing and you'd like them back, please email me and I'll send them to you. A few barely respectful posts still remain because they contain potential seeds for productive and civil discussion if cooler heads can prevail. A few other things... * Bias, subjectivity, and personal experience are valid factors in formulating any opinion. * All opinions are valued here, as long as they apply to cars. * The cars being discussed here are not Subarus. Subaru Forums are here: http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.eea1a91/ What I'm hearing is that nearly everyone here acknowledges the price and speed of the GT-R, but that opinions vary when it comes to the effect that these factors will have in the the hearts, minds, imaginations, and wallets of drivers. This is something that can be discussed without getting personal. If you have any questions or comments, please send me an email. |
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Replying to: jim39t (Apr 06, 2008 7:12 am) I finally got that issue in the mail. Seeing the GT-R up next to its competitors, it's styling is actually starting to grow on me. At least in white anyway. I also like black or red. Any color but the silver they were using on all the prototypes works for that car, IMHO. |
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Replying to: habitat1 (Dec 16, 2007 4:09 am) None the less! Once the warranty runs dry, I am installing the larger turbines and the new software to get the 550 HP I deserve.... darnit... |
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Replying to: chrmdome (Dec 26, 2007 1:57 pm)
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| After Audi's new V-12 Diesel clearly outpowered both Penske's and DHL's RS Spyders in the last ALMS race, this new "Nissan thing" is now no longer the main issue. | |
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Replying to: 07997turbo (Apr 22, 2008 9:40 pm) Many of them sound very special indeed. A GT-R owner would get as much attention as a 911turbo owner, just from a slightly different crowd of car fans. To some, owning a rarer, faster, and more aggressive styled car is worth a snap-shot and a compliment when viewed in person. Some might argue that the V-Spec will make old news of the GT2. Some might not, but that's because they are both impressive cars. To each their own. But I don't get the Audi V12 diesel comparison. That engine is not bound for the US in that car, so it will not compete with the 'Nissan thing.' |
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Replying to: 07997turbo (Apr 22, 2008 9:40 pm) seeing a 911/ turbo is just like seeing a vette. its just another porsche like the vette is another vette-z06 or not. even when the zr-1 comes it will be seen as just another vette after its been on the road for alittle. the GT-R will be rare. the 911 turbo isnt. the GT-R will command alot more attention from people. even 911, 911 TT, and GT3 owners will stare at the GT-R from their car when they seee one on the road. the GT-R will look different from anything else on the road. its styling is closer to being exotic than anything. i cant say the same from the styling of the 911. its not exotic at all |
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Replying to: 240ka (Apr 28, 2008 3:46 pm) Suzuki, Honda, Kawasaki all make fast bikes that look "exotic" for a year.... and then end up in a bone yard or pared behind a garage to rust away in 5 years Such is the demise of the "Rice crowd". Fine german engineering can only be recognized and appreciated by those who study and understand it. Not to many "Nissan collectors" out there these days... |
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Replying to: 07997turbo (Apr 30, 2008 4:35 pm) This is not a motorcycle. But sports motorcycles and dirtbikes, etc do become obsolete fast. Thats just because they make tremendous improvements almost yearly. A sports bike from 5 years ago cannot compete with one from today without heavy modification. Its just cheaper and easier to replace them than keep them going past 5 years. Some people with cruisers, etc keep them much longer. However, that is dependent on the type more than the brand. The average life of a KTM or a BMW sportsmachine is probably more or less the same as a Japanese one. But that does not bolster any argument about GT-Rs. They are a coveted item even for being only right-hand drive. Its just that some people don't want the aggrivation of driving a J-spec one over here. German engineers spend a rediculous amount of time trying to make the car go.... yup, faster. You might like the styling better. You might be a sucker for their marketing. And mostly namebranding. A 90's era GT-R is a fantastic machine. We'd collect them in the US if they were ever made availabe, guaranteed. As of 1989, Nissan had a car that was the predominant automotive engineering accomplishment. They just had to take a break and come back in 2009 with an update. Which again, defies all expectations. I know its not the engineering that draws people to collect Porsches. Obviously there are a plethora of cars that are better engineered than 70's, 80's, 90's era 911s. You don't buy one of those for engineering. Or even feel. Something else has it trumped at this point. Its nostalgia and the badge. Nostalgia does not factor into how good these modern cars are. We're not comparing 40 years ago. I can appreciate a 1960's-era Muscle Car and still think the new ones aren't that good. I don't really think those that study the engineering of cars necessarily go Porsche. I've seen a lot of situations where Porsche owners don't even know that much about their own cars. They just use the 'german engineering' tag line. And they certainly don't know or have a bad opinion of engineering by other makes. Those that know the most about cars appreciate many different makes and models equally. And this is important: engineering quality changes over time. Its just a Porsche. Its just a car. |
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