Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo

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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)

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#691 of 990 Re: Time to pick on the GT2 [bigmclargehuge] by habitat1 Apr 11, 2008 (3:27 am)
Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Apr 10, 2008 8:18 am) This is a car forum. I had thought it was for the purpose of comparing vehicles. If people come here just to brag (or lie for all we know) about the car that they own, how much money they make, or their IQ, they could probably do that off-site and spare the rest of us. The "rest of us" being "you" - who feel compelled to use this forum multiple times a day to simply regurgitate what you've read without ever actually DRIVING ANYTHING to add a real world pespective? You are certainly free to continue to fill this forum with fantasies of a non-existent GTR Spec V beating a 911 GT2 by from 0-60 or by 0.5% at Nurburgring. Fine. But at least stop thinking that most Porsche, Ferrari or serious sports car buyers base their entire purchase decision on such simple minded definitions of performance. Most serious enthusaists who can spend $100k+/- on a sports car want something that not only performs well for the 2% of the miles that it may spend at a track, but the other 98% of the time it is on public roads. Virtually all of the enthusaists I know are more than happy to give up a couple of tenths of a second advantage that Porsches Tiptronic with "launch control" gives them in a stop light drag race in order to have a ultra crisp short throw 6 speed that gives them 100% control the rest of the time. They outgrew auditioning for the fast and furious movie set long ago. I'm not rushing to judgement against the GT-R because it weighs damn near as much as a SL55 or BMW 6-series GT. But for those who want to theorize that weight is not important because of what they have read, I respectfully suggest you get off your throne and, just for the fun of it, drive the 350Z and S2000/Boxster back to back. According to the holy triumvirate of performance numbers, they are all nearly equal. Yet no serious enthusiast with warm blood running through his/her veins would pick the 350Z over the other two, even if it was given away for free. I know real world experience can be a slap in the face to those who have figured out everything they need to know without the inconveninece of (or respect for) experience. Two of my business school classmates were at opposite ends of the "stock market efficiency" theory 20+ years ago. The theorist that is now a well respected professor. The realist now has his name on the outside of the business school, having donated $50 million+ of his hedge fund earnings to the university. Replies to this message: bigmclargehuge (Apr 11, 2008 3:41 am) habitat1 (Apr 11, 2008 1:55 pm) bigmclargehuge (Apr 11, 2008 5:44 pm)
#692 of 990 Re: Time to pick on the GT2 [habitat1] by bigmclargehuge Apr 11, 2008 (3:41 am)
Replying to: habitat1 (Apr 11, 2008 3:27 am) Actually our gracious host had asked me to get back on topic and stop being opinionated. Which is fine with me because I prefer to cite sources anyhow. And that would be the reason I asked that we keep it on topic. Because I was warned, and I hope you are shortly too. And by nonexistent V-spec, you mean this car? http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/08/nissan-gt-r-v-spec-lap-times-stun-observers/ There is way too much bias for you to call yourself a realist. Your theories sound something like "I've driven a Porsche, therefore Porsche is best". I would just as soon take "I've driven a PT Cruiser, therefore a PT Cruiser is best" as realism. For as long as your experience draws you to a predetermined conclusion, it accounts for nothing. You can twist it anyway you like. Do you really think I'm going to take your word for it? Not likely. FYI, I put my brother-in-law's Carrera 2 through its paces. It was ok, nothing special. My father offered me his Boxter as a college graduation present. He was so offended when I asked if I could sell the rubbish vehicle and buy something else that he renigged on the whole deal. Why don't I think my experiences are valid arguments? Because they aren't. They are opinion-based and anyone else in the same situation might come to a different conclusion. Indeed, let us stick to something that can be verified. Besides, the GT-R beating the 911 is REAL. It happened and it is everywhere you look. It was the Porsche fanbois that started with: I drive Porsche because I have a higher IQ, Everyone wants a Porsche but some can only afford a Nissan, Nissan only markets to poor people And about a dozen more excuses why Porsche is subjectively better. And you are defending those as realistic? You are when you chastise me for asking that we get back on topic. Please, settle down and post something we can have a discussion on. Replies to this message: habitat1 (Apr 11, 2008 1:55 pm) bigmclargehuge (Apr 11, 2008 5:44 pm)
#693 of 990 Re: Good ole' Saabaru's [bigmclargehuge] by thenebean Apr 11, 2008 (4:28 am)
Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Apr 10, 2008 12:53 pm) he will when the warranty expires in 3k miles...at that point, he has a few ideas with what he wants to do with it. he'll probably start doing a bit more research to see what he can get and maybe take a few weekends to play around with it. -thene Replies to this message: bigmclargehuge (Apr 11, 2008 5:26 am) thenebean (Apr 11, 2008 7:26 am) bigmclargehuge (Apr 11, 2008 10:23 am) and 1 more...
#695 of 990 Re: Good ole' Saabaru's [thenebean] by bigmclargehuge Apr 11, 2008 (5:26 am)
Replying to: thenebean (Apr 11, 2008 4:28 am) I have quite a few experiences modifying that engine. If I can support in any way, resurrect a 9-2x forum and post it on my Carspace page so we can reply in a on-topic forum. Replies to this message: thenebean (Apr 11, 2008 7:26 am) bigmclargehuge (Apr 11, 2008 10:23 am) thenebean (Apr 11, 2008 12:06 pm)
#696 of 990 Re: Good ole' Saabaru's [bigmclargehuge] by thenebean Apr 11, 2008 (7:26 am)
Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Apr 11, 2008 5:26 am) thanks for the offer big! It probably won't be until summer time, but i'll keep it in mind. that car was a GREAT buy used - $32k brand new, we got it one year used with 13k miles for $16,999. -thene Replies to this message: bigmclargehuge (Apr 11, 2008 10:23 am) thenebean (Apr 11, 2008 12:06 pm)
#700 of 990 Re: Good ole' Saabaru's [thenebean] by bigmclargehuge Apr 11, 2008 (10:23 am)
Replying to: thenebean (Apr 11, 2008 7:26 am) that car was a GREAT buy used - $32k brand new, we got it one year used with 13k miles for $16,999. That is excellent. There's nothing better than going from 0-60 in the low 4's in a WAGON. Best of luck with the mods! Replies to this message: thenebean (Apr 11, 2008 12:06 pm)