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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)
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Replying to: thenebean (Apr 10, 2008 9:50 am) At first I thought it was just a rumor. That there was no way that Nissan would outstrip themselves so early. But here it is, further proof that many of the best handling cars in the future will make use of a well-tuned AWD system. I hope it follows the Corvette bargain-supercar example, with the GT-R being priced just below the Z06, and the V-spec right around ZR1 area. I also hope the carbon-fiber body was enough of a weight savings so they did not have to gut the interior. Another interesting tidbit - the GT-R GT500 that Nissan uses for the SuperGT series in Japan... is actually RWD. So it is very interesting how the fastest Group A car ever built from a 996 Porsche was 4WD and the fastest SuperGT Nissan is RWD. Which is faster? Hard to say, they don't compete in the same events. But my money would have been on the uber-impressive GT2 4WD. I hope you do enjoy your cars. My only Nissan has been a Nismo Frontier pickup. Subjectively its pretty spartan, but because of that fact it objectively does what a light truck is supposed to do better than any other I've owned. Where my family is from, most everyone has a truck/SUV, an Audi or a Subaru. I've dabbled in each, but it MUST have 4WD/AWD  I've long known what the advantages are of AWD on a well-paved mountain road that is damp 200+ days a year. AWD fast becoming the #1 performance improvement couldn't make me happier.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Apr 10, 2008 11:37 am) my hubby's car is a Saabaru 9-2x Aero. we wanted a small sport hatch with AWD (helpful in new england) that was fun to drive, and had a little bit of cargo space (thus the hatch). we definitely like it, and the saab version was cheaper to find 1 year used than the Subaru WRX variation. I like to enjoy my trip from point a to point b, as opposed to just getting there. i don't have the money now to enjoy it in a higher end car, but i'll pick something fun in my price range. and my car may not perform like a porsche, but i'm still passionate about it! and it has become apparent (especially with this AWD GT-R) that awd is definitely a plus for a high performance car, even with the additional weight. you've made a very good point on that. -thene 
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Replying to: thenebean (Apr 10, 2008 11:56 am) Yup. Its hard to argue that the V-spec handles in spite of its AWD. I think any logical person would conclude that it hanldes because of its AWD. It just opens up new doors on performance. We really haven't tapped that resource fully yet, but the formula has been cracked. I think it will be increasingly challenging for RWD cars to improve on cornering ability without tremendous downforce. Has your husband taken a wrench to the Saabaru at all? It may not be a Porsche, but it can get pretty close. If he ever gets bored with the performance and hasn't done so already, the sky is the limit on that car.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Apr 10, 2008 8:18 am) The "rest of us" being "you" - who feel compelled to use this forum multiple times a day to simply regurgitate what you've read without ever actually DRIVING ANYTHING to add a real world pespective? You are certainly free to continue to fill this forum with fantasies of a non-existent GTR Spec V beating a 911 GT2 by from 0-60 or by 0.5% at Nurburgring. Fine. But at least stop thinking that most Porsche, Ferrari or serious sports car buyers base their entire purchase decision on such simple minded definitions of performance. Most serious enthusaists who can spend $100k+/- on a sports car want something that not only performs well for the 2% of the miles that it may spend at a track, but the other 98% of the time it is on public roads. Virtually all of the enthusaists I know are more than happy to give up a couple of tenths of a second advantage that Porsches Tiptronic with "launch control" gives them in a stop light drag race in order to have a ultra crisp short throw 6 speed that gives them 100% control the rest of the time. They outgrew auditioning for the fast and furious movie set long ago. I'm not rushing to judgement against the GT-R because it weighs damn near as much as a SL55 or BMW 6-series GT. But for those who want to theorize that weight is not important because of what they have read, I respectfully suggest you get off your throne and, just for the fun of it, drive the 350Z and S2000/Boxster back to back. According to the holy triumvirate of performance numbers, they are all nearly equal. Yet no serious enthusiast with warm blood running through his/her veins would pick the 350Z over the other two, even if it was given away for free. I know real world experience can be a slap in the face to those who have figured out everything they need to know without the inconveninece of (or respect for) experience. Two of my business school classmates were at opposite ends of the "stock market efficiency" theory 20+ years ago. The theorist that is now a well respected professor. The realist now has his name on the outside of the business school, having donated $50 million+ of his hedge fund earnings to the university.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Apr 11, 2008 3:27 am) And by nonexistent V-spec, you mean this car? http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/08/nissan-gt-r-v-spec-lap-times-stun-observers/ There is way too much bias for you to call yourself a realist. Your theories sound something like "I've driven a Porsche, therefore Porsche is best". I would just as soon take "I've driven a PT Cruiser, therefore a PT Cruiser is best" as realism. For as long as your experience draws you to a predetermined conclusion, it accounts for nothing. You can twist it anyway you like. Do you really think I'm going to take your word for it? Not likely. FYI, I put my brother-in-law's Carrera 2 through its paces. It was ok, nothing special. My father offered me his Boxter as a college graduation present. He was so offended when I asked if I could sell the rubbish vehicle and buy something else that he renigged on the whole deal. Why don't I think my experiences are valid arguments? Because they aren't. They are opinion-based and anyone else in the same situation might come to a different conclusion. Indeed, let us stick to something that can be verified. Besides, the GT-R beating the 911 is REAL. It happened and it is everywhere you look. It was the Porsche fanbois that started with: I drive Porsche because I have a higher IQ, Everyone wants a Porsche but some can only afford a Nissan, Nissan only markets to poor people And about a dozen more excuses why Porsche is subjectively better. And you are defending those as realistic? You are when you chastise me for asking that we get back on topic. Please, settle down and post something we can have a discussion on.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Apr 10, 2008 12:53 pm) -thene
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Replying to: thenebean (Apr 11, 2008 4:28 am)
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Apr 11, 2008 5:26 am) that car was a GREAT buy used - $32k brand new, we got it one year used with 13k miles for $16,999. -thene
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