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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)
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Replying to: 911nut (Apr 08, 2008 8:54 pm) Personally, I can't afford either right now. that shouldn't mean that I can't contribute to the conversation, or have an opinion on which i prefer better. you certainly have the right to love your Porsche better than the GT-R. not every car is for every person. -thene 
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Replying to: thenebean (Apr 09, 2008 5:52 am)
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Replying to: 911nut (Apr 09, 2008 9:17 am) I think there are fans of many brands of vehicles who will claim that their particular brand inspires passion for driving. BMW fans would be right up there. American muscle car fans would also be right up there. Passion for each person is very different, and while you are passionate about Porsche, Lambo, and Ferrari, I would be more likely to buy 2 GT-Rs before buying one of those. I can absolutely respect those brands and what they do and the people that love them and their heritage, but they dont really inspire any passion in me. Not everyone thinks the same girl or guy is hot, or the same color is their favorite, etc. The point here is that you are classifying people based on what their opinions are, which isn't always the most accurate. It doesn't make me less of a passionate person if i choose the GT-R or the Corvette or the Viper over the Porsche, and vice versa. Sure, there are a few people on here who are making silly statements like porsche will go out of business because of the GT-R, but most of us are pretty level headed, and dont really want to be lumped into a "wannabe" stereotype. With regards to picking the GT-R just because of performance denoting a sense of superficiality, i couldn't disagree more. Would that mean that a person buying a porsche just because its a porsche is also superficial? Like i said, there are different things people are passionate about, and there isn't any one thing that makes them "less" passionate. What there are, are different opinions, which is a-ok by me! And as an FYI, i loved porsche growing up - always wanted one. But hey, passions change!! -thene 
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Replying to: 911nut (Apr 09, 2008 9:17 am) Just the opposite of what you said is true. We are not jealous of Porsche owners, and we really don't care what they think. It used to be true that Porsche and Ferrari had something that could not be replicated, but that is no longer true. Therefore, there just isn't that much to leave us wanting. There is only denial on your side. You still think that everybody wants a Porsche, that you have something that everyone else craves. That these people are 'settling' for the GT-R because they can't afford the magnificent heritage markup on a 911's sticker. Not true at all. I look at those who obsess over Porsche in the same light as those who argue "Ferd vs. Chavy" with the associated window sticker youth urinating on the other's symbol. They all think there is something special about a Ford/Chevy truck that the rest of us don't understand. I think brand loyalty is childish. Like arguing who's Transformer toy is better for reasons even they cannot explain in any detail, because it is all subjective. 911, GT-R, F430, Z06. 4 tools to accomplish the exact same task in slightly different ways. There is nothing inherently special about any of them. There is no IQ difference, no marketing issue, no age boundaries that actually matter in this conversation. If each company swapped factories and it was the Porsche Z06, the Nissan 911, the Chevy F430 and the Ferrari GT-R... we would be having the exact same argument because some people can't get past the badge on the hood. |
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Guys, i hope you both enjoy your imaginary cars but I think I have said enough on this topic: hence, I must leave you because my biggest dilemma is which one of my Porsches I driving this evening.
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Replying to: 911nut (Apr 09, 2008 4:12 pm) First, the Group A racing record was set in a "996 GT2 Turbo 4WD" by Alzen Motorsports. http://www.answers.com/topic/uwe-alzen In the 24 Hours Nürburgring in their privately built Porsche 996 GT2 Turbo 4WD from 2003 to 2005. Uwe Alzen set the lap record there with this Turbo at 8:09 That 8:09 was for the entire Nurburgring. They covered the Nordschleife section in and estimated 6:40. They also have an official 7:04 Nordschliefe lap time in the 996 GT2 Turbo 4WD. Granted, this is a tubbed out racecar, but it is certainly not laden by the AWD system. An extra 35 kilos is a small price to pay for a tremendous traction advantage, especially while cornering hard at high speeds. I stand by my theory that if Porsche added a well-tuned AWD system to the GT2, it would have a minimal weight gain, and a tremendous performance increase. Thus brings us to the V-spec: It has been confirmed that Nissan is planning to introduce a lighter and more powerful GT-R called the GT-R V-Spec... Nissan has said that this model will be available in the United States in 2010 and will have 550 hp (410 kW) (an increase of 77 hp (57 kW)). It will also be 150 kg (330 lb) lighter and come with carbon ceramic brakes. With these performance figures Nissan hopes to break the Nürburgring lap record for a stock vehicle. According to Car Magazine at the Nurburgring, the GT-R V-Spec lapped the ring at an astounding 7:25 time. This is faster than the Porsche Carrera GT's 7:28 and Pagani Zonda F Clubsport's 7:27.82. Also the GT2's 7:31 on racing slicks, I might add. So in 2009, the infallible GT2 is up for a year's worth of comparison tests against the GT-R V-spec. If these go the same way as the GT-R vs. GT3 tests, the results will be very one-sided. So all the engineering and experience conjecture about AWD having only unwanted side effects? Rubbish. This is a car forum. I had thought it was for the purpose of comparing vehicles. If people come here just to brag (or lie for all we know) about the car that they own, how much money they make, or their IQ, they could probably do that off-site and spare the rest of us.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Apr 10, 2008 8:18 am) i've been reading a bit about the GT-R V-Spec and it just sound amazing. I'll be interested to see the price range and the power that thing puts out. The rest of your post is also well said. Let's discuss the cars, not what i can afford to drive vs. what you can afford to drive, and how smart or not smart that makes any of us. I drive a 2003 Nissan SE-R Spec V in sunburst yellow by the way. my first car was a 1992 Nissan Maxima SE in pearl white. Not a porsche by any means, but fun cars in their own right. -thene
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