Article Comments - 2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo

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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)

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#676 of 990 Rebuttal on Godzilla's GTR by 911nut Apr 08, 2008 (8:54 pm)
have followed this discussion at great length and I am amazed at how the Nissan fans are so pumped up on this new, and I may add, good car they have produced. However, to state that the GTR is a better car than a Porsche is fanciful thinking. Furthermore, I believe this to be wishful thinking coming from people that can't actually own a Porsche or don't appreciate the history and heritage of a 911. I didn't grow up wanting a Porsche, in my case it just happened. In fact, I currently own three Porsche's, a 2002 996 C2 Conv, 2006 Cayenne Turbo and a 2007 997S convertible. I will never sell my 2002 since it was my first 911 and represents a milestone in my life, the discovery of a dormant passion for cars. I love this car just the same as my new 911. I only hope to add to my collection. Porsche is not only about performance, its many things, and in the case of many P owners that I know, Passion is the common denominator. My daily driver is a Honda Accord which I use as my income generator. At the end of my day of work related driving, 150 to 200 miles, I still look forward to getting into one of my 911's and taking it for a drive and enjoying my hard earned dollars on these vehicles. Let's wait and see how the GTR will do. Stating that P owners will also have a GTR in the garage is ludicrous and only illustrates the shallow character of people making such exaggerated claims. Speaking for myself, the only other car I might add, other than a P, would be a Ferrari, enough said. Nissan will not entice Porschista's or Ferrarista's to purchase an ugly ducking with impressive numbers. Their only attraction is to the crowd that cannot afford these fine vehicles and must hide behind the veil that they own a car that cost's half as much with greater or equal performance. Please, give me a break, lets see what the GTR does in long term longevity, racing, and equally important, track day events. I have seen many Viper's, Mustang GT500's, Corvettes and other fancy marketing nomenclature vehicles come and go. Porsche's are and always will be the preferred track cars for people that really take an interest in learning to improve their skills and loving every second that we are on the track. Good luck to the GTR and may they sell more of these vehicles than 911's because at the end of my day my 996 still puts a large smile on my face. Replies to this message: bigmclargehuge (Apr 09, 2008 5:38 am) thenebean (Apr 09, 2008 5:52 am) 911nut (Apr 09, 2008 9:17 am) thenebean (Apr 09, 2008 12:17 pm) bigmclargehuge (Apr 09, 2008 1:49 pm)
#677 of 990 Re: Rebuttal on Godzilla's GTR [911nut] by bigmclargehuge Apr 09, 2008 (5:38 am)
Replying to: 911nut (Apr 08, 2008 8:54 pm) to state that the GTR is a better car than a Porsche is fanciful thinking. Furthermore, I believe this to be wishful thinking coming from people that can't actually own a Porsche or don't appreciate the history and heritage of a 911. I don't think anyone actually said 'better'. GT-R fans frequently return to 'faster'. But better is subjective, it can't be measured, and there is no use arguing it. Nobody is going to change what you like, for whatever your reasons. No, history and heritage are useless trivia in terms of automotive engineering. I will never appreciate such things as much because I do not think it logical to develop premonitions on modern cars based on extinct ones. Actually one of the first American reviews of a GT-R was by a man in California who bought a J-spec and shipped it over and parked it next to his GT3. And he loves both cars for various reasons, but he gave the GT-R rave reviews for its crushing speed. So the ludicrous statements are that these are for people that can't afford Porsches. There are many who will be able to afford Porsches, and not see the point. I've driven my fair share and there was nothing really memorable about it. Its just a Porsche. Go ahead and keep it as the favorite on the track. Less competition.
#678 of 990 Re: Rebuttal on Godzilla's GTR [911nut] by thenebean Apr 09, 2008 (5:52 am)
Replying to: 911nut (Apr 08, 2008 8:54 pm) in case you didn't notice, the tone in your post was a little condescending towards people who are not able to afford a porsche. its also insulting that you indicate that the only people who think the GT-R is "better" are people who can't afford a 911. Personally, I can't afford either right now. that shouldn't mean that I can't contribute to the conversation, or have an opinion on which i prefer better. you certainly have the right to love your Porsche better than the GT-R. not every car is for every person. -thene Replies to this message: 911nut (Apr 09, 2008 9:17 am) thenebean (Apr 09, 2008 12:17 pm) bigmclargehuge (Apr 09, 2008 1:49 pm)
#680 of 990 Re: Rebuttal on Godzilla's GTR [thenebean] by 911nut Apr 09, 2008 (9:17 am)
Replying to: thenebean (Apr 09, 2008 5:52 am) My apologies if I have offended your sensibilities; however, I find it very difficult to accept, money not being the deciding factor, that you will choose the GTR over a Porsche, Ferrari, or a Lambo. These cars, more than any others, inspire PASSION for driving and owning them. There is nothing wrong for a person to choose whatever performance car they like, but to choose the GTR strictly because of performance denotes a certain degree of superficiality. And to add insult, the Nissan fans eloquently and erroneously state that it cost less than the above mentioned vehicles and hence can't understand why people purchase these expensive vehicles. The way I see it, there three types of GTR purchasers, One, the absolute fan and I respect them just the way they respect Porsche. I know a few of these individuals and they have never spouted such nonsense as some of the posters on this board. Two, the shallow superficial buyer who buys this car strictly on the numbers without any other consideration while trashing cars with a long, rich and proven heritage. Lastly, the Porsche haters of this world; let's be honest, this type of buyer can't and probably never will be able to purchase such a vehicle, and thus gets his infinite knowledge and wisdom from a three dollar magazine to preach to us from his porcelain pulpit. I repeat, the GTR is a good car so far, but let's wait and see what it does in the market place. The Viper is also a good car, but lets face it, it's sales have dwindled to the extent that this American beast is at risk of extinction. The 911/Ferrari/Lambos are stronger today than ever with two the three times the sticker price. Replies to this message: thenebean (Apr 09, 2008 12:17 pm) bigmclargehuge (Apr 09, 2008 1:49 pm)
#682 of 990 Re: Rebuttal on Godzilla's GTR [911nut] by thenebean Apr 09, 2008 (12:17 pm)
Replying to: 911nut (Apr 09, 2008 9:17 am) 911nut, I think there are fans of many brands of vehicles who will claim that their particular brand inspires passion for driving. BMW fans would be right up there. American muscle car fans would also be right up there. Passion for each person is very different, and while you are passionate about Porsche, Lambo, and Ferrari, I would be more likely to buy 2 GT-Rs before buying one of those. I can absolutely respect those brands and what they do and the people that love them and their heritage, but they dont really inspire any passion in me. Not everyone thinks the same girl or guy is hot, or the same color is their favorite, etc. The point here is that you are classifying people based on what their opinions are, which isn't always the most accurate. It doesn't make me less of a passionate person if i choose the GT-R or the Corvette or the Viper over the Porsche, and vice versa. Sure, there are a few people on here who are making silly statements like porsche will go out of business because of the GT-R, but most of us are pretty level headed, and dont really want to be lumped into a "wannabe" stereotype. With regards to picking the GT-R just because of performance denoting a sense of superficiality, i couldn't disagree more. Would that mean that a person buying a porsche just because its a porsche is also superficial? Like i said, there are different things people are passionate about, and there isn't any one thing that makes them "less" passionate. What there are, are different opinions, which is a-ok by me! And as an FYI, i loved porsche growing up - always wanted one. But hey, passions change!! -thene
#683 of 990 Re: Rebuttal on Godzilla's GTR [911nut] by bigmclargehuge Apr 09, 2008 (1:49 pm)
Replying to: 911nut (Apr 09, 2008 9:17 am) Nut, Just the opposite of what you said is true. We are not jealous of Porsche owners, and we really don't care what they think. It used to be true that Porsche and Ferrari had something that could not be replicated, but that is no longer true. Therefore, there just isn't that much to leave us wanting. There is only denial on your side. You still think that everybody wants a Porsche, that you have something that everyone else craves. That these people are 'settling' for the GT-R because they can't afford the magnificent heritage markup on a 911's sticker. Not true at all. I look at those who obsess over Porsche in the same light as those who argue "Ferd vs. Chavy" with the associated window sticker youth urinating on the other's symbol. They all think there is something special about a Ford/Chevy truck that the rest of us don't understand. I think brand loyalty is childish. Like arguing who's Transformer toy is better for reasons even they cannot explain in any detail, because it is all subjective. 911, GT-R, F430, Z06. 4 tools to accomplish the exact same task in slightly different ways. There is nothing inherently special about any of them. There is no IQ difference, no marketing issue, no age boundaries that actually matter in this conversation. If each company swapped factories and it was the Porsche Z06, the Nissan 911, the Chevy F430 and the Ferrari GT-R... we would be having the exact same argument because some people can't get past the badge on the hood.
#684 of 990 Immagine by 911nut Apr 09, 2008 (4:12 pm)
Guys, i hope you both enjoy your imaginary cars but I think I have said enough on this topic: hence, I must leave you because my biggest dilemma is which one of my Porsches I driving this evening. Replies to this message: bigmclargehuge (Apr 10, 2008 8:18 am) thenebean (Apr 10, 2008 9:50 am) bigmclargehuge (Apr 10, 2008 11:37 am) and 7 more... habitat1 (Apr 11, 2008 3:27 am) bigmclargehuge (Apr 11, 2008 3:41 am) and 3 more...