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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Apr 01, 2008 2:21 pm) Second, the number one advertiser was the car magazines, pretty much the same as now. It wasn't quite the dark ages either, I was online as much then as I am now. Third, any 3000GT today would be a 2 ton understeering pig just like it was when it came out (with or without a trunk full of I-Macs).
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Replying to: lemmer (Apr 02, 2008 5:34 am) what's wrong with nissan coming out with a car that can do what those cars do, but is far more attainable that those other cars? i don't think nissan is trying to put porsche out of business, but they sure do deserve a little bit of respect for the car they have put on the road, for half the price of what it's benchmark vehicle was. if anything, its a sign of respect that nissan aspired to create such a great car, and using the porsche as its benchmark. don't feel so threatened!! -thene 
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Replying to: thenebean (Apr 02, 2008 5:40 am) My favorite car I have ever owned was a 1995 300ZX. If I was to buy another early '90s sports car, it wouldn't be a 911. It would probably be an RX-7 or another 300ZX. I am currently trying to decide whether to buy an S2000 or a Boxster. I am far from an anti-Japanese Euro-loving snob. That all being said, I think the contention I've heard repeatedly here that the GT-R is going steal Porsche sales by the bucketfull is just silly.
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Replying to: lemmer (Apr 02, 2008 6:22 am) as far as nissan stealing porsche sales by the bucketful, i think that there is probably only one person on here who thinks that. i am a nissan fan myself, so i guess i would have a bit of a bias, but im not blind. porsche is in a different market than nissan is...will a couple people possibly go from one to the other? perhaps. but i don't think one is going to put the other out of business. i think that a lot of people here got hung up on one person's overzealous posts, and keep harping on porsche being great and nissan is just a flash in the pan. i'd rather we all discuss the merits of both cars, and how great it is that there is competition in this segment. people are going to drive and buy what they like - whether they like it because of styling, the badge on the hood, available colors, performance, or otherwise. i don't think anyone here is going to convince anyone else in here otherwise. but as always, my two cents... -thene 
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Replying to: lemmer (Apr 02, 2008 6:22 am) I felt a small tingle. Actually, nobody thinks that. It is clear that there will be no converts, therefore nothing will be 'stolen.' The roots run too deep in the Old Guard. I'm suggesting more of a trickle-effect. I'm actually not disagreeing with either of you that Porsche has a different market. Not to sound morbid, but in my opinion, the first of that market is currently buying their last house and car. There is a socio-demographic explanation for why the Japanese GT-cars didn't beat the exotics in sales in the 90's, and why they really would have been better off appearing in this decade. Does the following demographic sound like they will appreciate Porsche as much as the last generation: Popular artists: Eminem, Limp Bizkit, Wierd Al Popular movies: Fast and Furious, Napoleon Dynamite Popular past-times: Halo, World of Warcraft, Grand Tourismo 3 Because if it doesn't, I have bad news. I estimate about 90% of all males in the "Me Generations" frequently partake on some of that which is listed above or enjoy something similar. When the criteria for a vehicle actually includes 'bling', is it odd that the 50K family is buying the same Escalade or H2 as the 150K family? The separation of cultures by income is disappearing. The media permeates to all levels like it never has before. On average, regardless of income, we are becoming a more trend-oriented nation. No age discrimination intended either way. I myself am a punk-ass-kid by my own definition. But in my line of business, we are trying to keep the older subject-matter-experts as long as possible, because there is a huge gap in work ethic to the next available age range. I appreciate how much we stand to lose as they retire. I actually don't like or agree with personally a lot of what happens in the world, but like a debate class, you have to defend the facts. Reality sucks.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Apr 02, 2008 7:40 am) The other problem is this, within the genre of the techo-GT, the GT-R isn't twice the car of an EVO or STI. The GT-R would make an incredible halo car for a Nissan competitor to those cars, kind of like an NSX was for Honda. By the way, you can't claim Weird Al. He belongs to Gen X. The Fast and the Furious has a car for everone from old muscle to exotica. Napoleon Dynamite transcends age lines and Eminem is pretty talented. As for video games, what about Wii?
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Apr 02, 2008 7:40 am) and i think that their on at least gran turismo 4 if not 5. seems like you're behind the times there big! -thene 
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Replying to: lemmer (Apr 02, 2008 8:03 am) What is that based on? What exactly makes a Porsche 'twice' the car? http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/subjective You are entitled to your opinion that there are enough of your comrades will be able to maintain Porsche at its current level without having to make major changes to its North American operations. But the claim that the number of people with greater disposeable income is increasing is statistically false. Now if the income gap is raising, that just means that Porsche could charge an arm and both legs below the knees per unit. I predict sales volume to decrease, unless they lower their prices to a competitive level (unlikely). Wheras many people are basing their predictions on years when the economy was in an upswing, that has no bearing on today. Both Porsche and Ferrari struggled and nearly did hit bankruptcy through the 80's and recovered in the last decade. The fate of exotics is indeed tied closely to the stock market. If this is a decade-long recession... history is more on my side. Porsche's infallability would be a sign of good times, so I actually hope you are correct. I just don't like where this handbasket we're all in is headed. But thats for another forum.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Apr 02, 2008 9:26 am) The economy will be fine. You can't have unlimited expansion without an occasional recession. If you are right about a ten year recession, I am one lucky dude. I am in a nearly recession proof industry, so maybe I will be able to pick up all these cars on the cheap. |
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