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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Mar 31, 2008 11:16 am) Sorry, I should have been more clear. I can't tell yet whether it will be or not. For the first few years, it might actually be an appreciating asset. Some speculator might be able to buy one and then sell it for a profit. Just because there are more than 1500 people who want that many cars. Likewise, if one were to buy a 911 for the purpose of semi-professional racing, or a driving school, they themselves might be un-wasting their money. There are purposes for which a vehicle is not just spending money on self-indulgence. Like a farmer and his truck, or a chauffeur and his limo. So I only say 'probably' because not every GT-R or 911 for that matter will fit that description. But used for the same purpose, both cars are equally useful/useless, and one costs more than the other. That is indeed what I am saying.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Mar 31, 2008 11:32 am)
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Replying to: teamyonex (Apr 01, 2008 11:45 am) No, this is silly talk. Look at the marketplace as a whole. Porsche doesn't lose business to Ferrari. Lamborghini doesn't lose business to Porsche. The customers buy all of them. Why? Because it's the latest and greatest. Because it looks cool. Because they CAN. The GT-R means nothing in the grand scheme of things. It's just another vehicle that will fade away in the U.S. market in a few years. The Porsche will keep soldiering on. -moo
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Replying to: madmanmoo (Apr 01, 2008 12:02 pm) Times are changing. To say the GT-R won't matter in the grand scheme of things is to say that the WRX/EVO wouldn't matter, and now they are everywhere! Why? Because they are bargain performance. Which means the GT-R has a good chance of planting some roots here in the US. Plus, it will probably have some company, like the next-gen NSX. Yes people will keep buying Porsches. They have a fiercely loyal following of middle-aged, upper-class. But while the same people will keep buying Porsches, what they have to be wary of is future growth. If you think that Nissan's appealing to America's youth is a bad marketing strategy, think again. These will sell like Scions to the PhDs in computer engineering. True, it is the gadget-crazed, X-box playing, car-magazine reading 25-year olds, that 10 years from now will be able to afford their pick of performance car. And they don't give a darn about this so-called 'connected' feeling that Porsche gives you. They don't know or care about the heritage, or the prestige of owning one. And they are an entire 3 generations coming strong. So when the next set of Porsche buyers are through with their midlife crises, the brand dies off in the US. Porsche fans had better make sure their grandkids are good and brainwashed. The old-school elite will never die off in Europe. But kids in America today, no matter their background all have one thing in common. They like user-friendly. iPod, iPhone, iCar.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Apr 01, 2008 12:47 pm) 10 or 15 years ago, I was a gadget crazed, car-magazine reading 25-year old. I didn't care much about the heritage and prestige of cars. I was convinced that 300 ZXs, Supras and RX-7s were the new wave of sports car and wondered why anyone would buy a 911 or Corvette. The value you got for your money was particularly ridiculous compared to Porsches. I loved those cars (still do), and even bought one as soon as I could afford one. Unfortunately, I was one of the few, and they faded away. Meanwhile the 911 continued to sell well. What's different now?
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Replying to: lemmer (Apr 01, 2008 1:36 pm) First, that was a time of economic stability. This is a time of economic crisis. Everything you think you know about how cars like the 3000GT, RX-7, Supra, NSX etc. did sell might not apply today. Second, back then word of mouth was the #1 advertizer. Now people spend their workday reading online car magazines. The media darlings are tremendously popular today, wheras back then nobody cared. Third, processing power is 10x what it was back then. Any 3000GT today with the EVO's S-AWC might be neck-and-neck with a GT-R. And I'm not talking about 10 years ago, I'm talking about 10 years from now. What is the percentage difference today in the number of SMG/DCG gearboxes? Well double that. AWD? Double that. Turbocharging? Double that. And so on.... What happens in a decade when every Japanese atuotmaker can offer what Porsche has, but fewer people have disposable income?
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Apr 01, 2008 2:21 pm) First, that was a time of economic stability. This is a time of economic crisis. So the GT-R, with a grand total of 1,500 units for a US population of 300,000,000 is going to challenge the 911's position becuase it offers a cheaper alternative for blowing your wad on a high performance sports car?? Have you started the weekend early with a few Kettle One's and tonics? If the GT-R is intended to appeal to those folks that are in the midst of a financial crisis, God help Nissan. The fact is that in 2008 there are probably 10 times as many potential buyers out there that can afford a 911 as there were in 1988. I'm one. Give me a minute and I'll name 9 others. Second, back then word of mouth was the #1 advertizer. Now people spend their workday reading online car magazines. The media darlings are tremendously popular today, wheras back then nobody cared. In case you haven't noticed, the internet driven "media darlings" in almost every product category have the lifespan of a May fly. After all, you are only a mouse click away from the next best thing. The majority of folks with $100k+ in disposable sports car spending power aren't a slave to fashion trends that come and go with the seasons. That's not to say that they don't know how to point and click. It just says that their tastes aren't influenced as easily as the ADD multi-taskers that you refer to. In my opinion, of course. Third, processing power is 10x what it was back then. Any 3000GT today with the EVO's S-AWC might be neck-and-neck with a GT-R. Not sure of your point here. But suffice it to say that, back when I was in college, a high school buddy who opted to forego higher education threw $10k (1978 dollars) into a Buick SS and ended up with a car that did a 11.0 second quarter mile. A bit faster than a 2008 GT-R. Today he's driving a souped up something or another. And I never once felt envious then or now. We are in different worlds. What happens in a decade when every Japanese atuotmaker can offer what Porsche has, but fewer people have disposable income? Are you saying that absolute performance is all Porsche, or Ferrari, has to offer? Seems like they have done very well fro the past 3-4 decades in spite of faster Buicks. I seriousluy doubt that a 1,500 unit GT-R that needs racing slicks and a professional driver at the wheel to show it's "superiority" at the Ring is going to put Porsche into bankruptcy. Make no mistake, I DO appreciate competition and I DO still speak highly of my former Honda S2000. But for Japanese manufacturesrs that sell 300,000+ Accords, Camrys, or Altimas annually, a limited production Halo car is not going to EVER challenge the long term viability of companies like Porsche or Ferrari that live, sleep and breathe performance and have done so for 50+ years. If Nissan had such a clear winner, why the hell aren't they producing 100,000 and taking over the world? Because, I believe they would be like me challenging Tiger Woods in golf. Could I get lucky and beat him in a one hole match? Perhaps. But I'd be sucking wind and 20 strokes behind if we had to play 18, let alone a four round tournament. And, not to sound like a broken record, but can we wait until someone other than a $60k per year kid writing car magazine reviews has a chance to drive a sports car that weighs two tons before formulating our conclusions?? |
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