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2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. (more)
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Replying to: upstatedoc (Dec 31, 2007 1:31 pm) No, no - one of my New Year's Resolutions is to keep my blood warm, but out of boiling temperature.  Seriously, my criticism of the GT-R isn't from feeling defensive about the Porsche in my garage. As I have pointed out numerous times, the $32k Honda S2000 is, IMO, a worthy competitor to the Boxster. And, if you happen to live in Germany around the corner from The Ring and are a near professional race driver, the GT-R may be a competitor to the 911 Turbo. My complaint against Nissan - a company that, by the way, gave me a 1995 Maxima that is still running perfectly at 155k miles and gave us the original 240Z, by far the best sports car to come out of Japna in its day - is that it is focusing on "the numbers" and not the real qualities of a sports car. I am sorry, but nearly 2 tons for a 6 cylinder, 2 seater sports car is just WRONG. I don't care if the damn thing can do 7:38 around the Ring or 0-60 in 3.3 seconds. I am strongly suspiscious that it feels about as far removed from a GT3 or Ferrari 430 as the bloated and dull 350Z did from my Honda S2000. It never bothered me driving the S2000 that somebody could pull up next to me in a Mustang GT and leave me in a trail of smoke. And it's not going to bother me that a GT-R could leave my lowly C2S in a similar trail. The cars I buy and drive are fun to drive at 40 mph through Rock Creek Park. The PRECISION with which they steer, brake, change directiosn, etc. is important to me. I haven't driven the GT-R, but when I do, I will be surprised if it changes my opinion that the 240Z was still the best sports car, relative to it's competition, to ever leave the Datsun/Nissan plant. Happy New Year to all. 
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Replying to: habitat1 (Dec 16, 2007 4:09 am) Happy new year everyone, I'm new on this board. I haven't had the time to read all the posts but obviously there's the feeling coming from some people that the GT-R will dethrone the Porsche from its well deserved position. If I was one of the many who think this way I would look at history first and compare how many new sportcars have come and gone during the 40+ years of the 911 and also would wait to see how much racing success the GT-R will achieve when put against the field. Competition of this type is welcome in my book and I think nissan has done a great job to satisfy a certain type of customer but a Porsche is a Porsche even if it is not a fire breathing twin turbo. And no matter what Nissan or any other manufacturer does for cheap Porsche owners won't detract. Like someone mentioned before a C2 would be a better choice to a Porsche enthusiast like me but at the same time to each their own, the 911 fits me like a glove, I got nothing to prove by buying a car because it'd possibly dethrone another one, I got better things to do with my time. Cheers. |
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Replying to: habitat1 (Jan 01, 2008 5:19 am) |
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Replying to: nizmogtr3 (Dec 31, 2007 12:52 pm) In case you are interested: 911 GT2 All of this GT-R talk from folks that have neither ever driven the Nurburgring track or understand how neary 3,900 lbs will feel in "normal" driving is more than a little ridiculous. I took several runs of the track myself, with a 997 GT3. I have had a handful of performance driving courses over the years and have had my share of track time. So, when I admit that my best time was "only" 8:05, I hope that it is appreciated that it was the fastest lap of the week by a non-professional driver. By 20 seconds. I opted for the GT2 over the GT3 with a great deal of angst. The GT3, with its 8,400 rpm redline and barely 3,000 lb curb weight is a much more fun to drive car on a track than my more powerful Turbo. But the opportunity to get a GT2 was just too tempting and they managed to get the curb weight down to only a little more than the GT3. Now I have to decide if I am going back to Germany to take delivery at the factory. A nice decision. Best wishes for the New Year.
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Replying to: chrmdome (Dec 31, 2007 3:43 pm) Plus, driving a fully restored 57 Chevy Bel Air with two tone paint draws much more attention when pulling up to any establishment. If i pulled next to your Porsche, any year mind you, the Bel Air would gather the most attention, plus i can carry the family to the show with me in it. A Porsche is a fine high end performance machine, but in true day to day driving, same as the Bel Air, there is a time and place for both of them. You drive a Porsche for attention. I drive a Bel Air for attention. Are either cars practical? No. They are both hobby cars. They are both attempts to fill some kind of void we both have in our lives. It could be just that we enjoy driving the cars. Thats fine. I dont race my car. I dont drive irresponibly. You cant tell me you always cruise at the posted speed limit in a 400 plus horse Porsche. Plus, as you quoted, the car has wonderful steering, braking, and responsiveness. So do most cars, if you drive them normally. The only way to enjoy those features you mentioned is if your pushing the car faster than you should so you can actually make use of the features the car was designed for, high speed performance. How hard do you have to brake and corner? If your a good driver, you dont need all of the overkill in the car. Its a closed road car, its a track car, period. It is a waste to have it on the highway. Thats like having a child with a 180 IQ forced to attend special ed classes. What a waste of potential.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Jan 01, 2008 5:19 am) And yet your assumptions about the GT-R seem to be mostly based on "numbers". 
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Replying to: hsquared (Jan 03, 2008 3:32 am) I guess if someone comes up with accurate quantitiative measurements for "visceral feel", "nimbleness" "sharpness of steering" and the myriad of other things that go into the sports car driving experience, then the numbers might tell the full story. But in the meantime, 0-60, 1/4 mile and track times at the Ring, tell only part of the story. Some are touting the 2 seconds in track time, representing a 0.4% advantage as "devastating". Whereas I am merely poinint out that the 700 lbs more a GT-R weighs than the new 911 GT2, representing a 22% heavier car is likely to be felt everyday on the other 99% of miles other than the track that most drivers will experience.
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Replying to: cruiser69 (Jan 02, 2008 10:30 am) To each their own and please keep up your passion. I sincerely like seeing those old classics on the road myself.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Jan 03, 2008 3:58 am) I guess I can base my opinion of the S2000 upon my first hand experience with my new Honda snow blower. Okay, fine. The $191K Porsche 911 GT2 probably has more "visceral feel" than the $70-$80K GT-R. That stuff is pretty expensive.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Jan 03, 2008 4:10 am)
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