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#30 of 38 Re: camry hybrid battery pack [bob204] by kdhspyder Sep 03, 2008 (2:08 pm)
Replying to: bob204 (Sep 03, 2008 11:45 am) You should double check the data on the vehicle that you're thinking of buying. There are in fact two different warranties depending on which state it was registered.. The CARB state warranty is 10 yrs / 150,000 miles The rest of the country gets an 8 yr / 100,000 mile warranty.   As backy noted above, end of warranty doesn't automatically mean replacement. Most Toyota and Honda and Nissan and now Hyundai vehicles have Powertrain Warranties that end at 60,000 miles but nearly all of them are good for 150,000 to 250,000 miles. YMMV.   In fact Toyota has stated that their replacement rate on the hybrid batteries is about 1 in 40,000 or 0.003%. In other words almost none. Replies to this message: backy (Sep 03, 2008 6:01 pm) kdhspyder (Sep 03, 2008 7:05 pm) backy (Sep 03, 2008 7:09 pm) railroadjames (Sep 03, 2008 8:53 pm) stevedebi (Sep 04, 2008 12:50 pm)
#31 of 38 Re: camry hybrid battery pack [kdhspyder] by backy Sep 03, 2008 (6:01 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Sep 03, 2008 2:08 pm) Most Toyota and Honda and Nissan and now Hyundai vehicles have Powertrain Warranties that end at 60,000 miles...   Maybe you should check your data also. Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Sep 03, 2008 7:05 pm) backy (Sep 03, 2008 7:09 pm)
#32 of 38 Re: camry hybrid battery pack [backy] by kdhspyder Sep 03, 2008 (7:05 pm)
Replying to: backy (Sep 03, 2008 6:01 pm) I know..but if the vehicle is traded the next owner has a 5/60000 PTW, right? It's only the original owner that gets the 10/100,000 PWT, right? Replies to this message: backy (Sep 03, 2008 7:09 pm)
#33 of 38 Re: camry hybrid battery pack [kdhspyder] by backy Sep 03, 2008 (7:09 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Sep 03, 2008 7:05 pm) Your initial statement was inaccurate.
#34 of 38 Re: camry hybrid battery pack [kdhspyder] by railroadjames Sep 03, 2008 (8:53 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Sep 03, 2008 2:08 pm) It's So refreshing to come to this site and notice that occasionaly someone sets the facts straight on the Prius and its various hybrid aspects. I headed a "topic" in this Web site called ..."50K Plus Miles: What We Think Now." Check it out for valuable (facts) about the most revolutionally car since the wheel was invented. Some comments found in this site have disturbed me from people with so called qualifications in engineering who really don't know what the heck they're talking about. I presently have close to 90K miles on my '04 Prius and average 46-48 mpg's. The car is simply amazing. The biggest concern I noticed brought up time and time again is the Batteries. While out in Vancouver B.C. where many taxi's are 2nd Gen Prius's the owners boast their praises of the incredable hybrid car. Not uncommon were taxi's with 200K and up with an outstanding reliability record says it all. One of the most annoying miss'infos is about the batteries and cost to replace. FACT is there's little to worry about and it is a missunderstanding to think that when the battery should need maintanence or replacment that the entire battery needs to be replaced. Actually truth be known...individual cells would be checked and only defective ones would be replaced keeping the cost down considerably. Again ..Thanks for keeping the facts real. We owners of Prius's are happy to say that ownership was and is our joy day after day. Almost 5 yrs and I am amazed that I found this car for $20 K and it's still worth $17K plus and I ain't a gonna part with it. Well....maybe I will when the 3rd gen comes along. RAILROADJAMES. Replies to this message: stevedebi (Sep 04, 2008 12:50 pm)
#35 of 38 Re: Help me understand the value of the hybrid. [sumrx4] by ampeg500 Sep 04, 2008 (10:38 am)
Replying to: sumrx4 (Dec 13, 2007 8:41 am) Personally, I would buy the Civic non-hybrid. I have a Civic coupe EX...but realistically, the hybrids are no fun to drive, they're way more expensive, and the dealers command MSRP for them, if not more. I got my Civic for invoice and I average 33 mpg (up to 40 on the highway). It would take a hybrid forever to pay for itself. Especially if you keep it for a long time and you have to shell out a couple grand to replace the batteries... Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Sep 05, 2008 3:55 am)
#36 of 38 Re: camry hybrid battery pack [railroadjames] by stevedebi Sep 04, 2008 (12:50 pm)
Replying to: railroadjames (Sep 03, 2008 8:53 pm) " FACT is there's little to worry about and it is a missunderstanding to think that when the battery should need maintanence or replacment that the entire battery needs to be replaced. Actually truth be known...individual cells would be checked and only defective ones would be replaced keeping the cost down considerably."   Request you post the source of your "FACT". From what I have read here in the forums, all battery pack replacements have been the entire pack, NOT individual cells.   The other think people should consider that it is longevity that is the concern for the battery packs, NOT mileage.
#37 of 38 Re: Help me understand the value of the hybrid. [ampeg500] by kdhspyder Sep 05, 2008 (3:55 am)
Replying to: ampeg500 (Sep 04, 2008 10:38 am) Different type of 'fun' to drive. Just like some like silver and some like blue.   They are NOT way more expensive to own. The Camry hybrid is $1000 less than the similarly-equipped top trim Camry XLE. Your statement is a very common misconception by the public.   The battery packs should last the life of the vehicle. There is all kinds of evidentiary engineering showing that they are possibly the most reliable part of the vehicle. This 'replacement' misconception died back in 2005. Welcome to the 21st century.   The Civic and the Corolla and the Mazda3 and the Cobalt and the Focus are simply too small and too basic for me. I will not own any of them...for any price.   But if one wants to drive a smaller more basic vehicle then then the Civic or Corolla or Yaris or Fit or Focus is a good decision.....except that a better decision is a 3 y.o. Prius. A Certified Used Prius has a better PT warranty than any of the foregoing and will last just as long and cost less to buy......and save money in the long run. The only problem is finding one.
#38 of 38 Re: camry hybrid battery pack [bob204] by cdn_tch Sep 11, 2008 (7:55 pm)
Replying to: bob204 (Sep 03, 2008 11:45 am) bob204: I am considering an '07 Camry Hybrid with 42K. Toyota's warranty is 10 yr/100k on the battery pack. I am concerned that at nearly half of the 100k has already been used up and then what would I face as the packs are expensive??   With the empirical evidence from the Prius cabs, there does not appear to be any issues with battery pack well into 200K and more. There may be issues in the long term based on age, but so far there does not seem to be any issues with the Gen 1 Prius' either.   I think that because we've all had NiCD batteries in cameras/personal electronics that died after a year or so of recharging that the car is going to do the same. The difference is that the car battery pack is being actively managed to make sure it does not get over charged or excessively discharged. And so far it appears that the car computers are doing a great job of it.   Personally I'd check to see that you are getting a fair deal on the car and not over paying for it. Treat it as any other used car purchase and remember it's 'buyer beware' out there.

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