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Re: [kenlw]
by kdhspyder
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Aug 29, 2008 (8:20 am)
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Replying to: kenlw (Aug 29, 2008 5:24 am)
That's obvious, I used it only as an example of how incorrect the former statement was about resale prices on the Prius.
Now if you want to do a comparison of like vehicles, hybrid and non-hybrid... use a 2004 Prius and its non-hybrid sibling the Matrix. Or take a 2002 Prius and compare it to a 2002 Corolla.
At average miles and average condition the Prius holds more value than either one. That old 'flat worlder' fear of battery-life just isn't supported by actual facts. It doesn't fly for 1-y.o. vehicles, 5-y.o. vehicles or 7 y.o. vehicles.
In fact according to both Toyota and the DOE hybrids ( all of them ) perform the same or better at 160,000 miles as does a new vehicle.
Another unfounded misconception is put to rest.
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camry hybrid battery pack
by bob204
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Sep 03, 2008 (11:45 am)
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I am considering an '07 Camry Hybrid with 42K. Toyota's warranty is 10 yr/100k on the battery pack. I am concerned that at nearly half of the 100k has already been used up and then what would I face as the packs are expensive??
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Re: camry hybrid battery pack [bob204]
by backy
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Sep 03, 2008 (11:49 am)
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Replying to: bob204 (Sep 03, 2008 11:45 am)
Consider that the warranty on the gas engine is only 60k miles. So you only have 18k miles left on the gas engine before you'd have to replace it. 
The point is, just because the warranty is only 100k miles doesn't mean the battery won't last much longer than that.
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Re: camry hybrid battery pack [bob204]
by kdhspyder
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Sep 03, 2008 (2:08 pm)
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Replying to: bob204 (Sep 03, 2008 11:45 am)
You should double check the data on the vehicle that you're thinking of buying. There are in fact two different warranties depending on which state it was registered..
The CARB state warranty is 10 yrs / 150,000 miles
The rest of the country gets an 8 yr / 100,000 mile warranty.
As backy noted above, end of warranty doesn't automatically mean replacement. Most Toyota and Honda and Nissan and now Hyundai vehicles have Powertrain Warranties that end at 60,000 miles but nearly all of them are good for 150,000 to 250,000 miles. YMMV.
In fact Toyota has stated that their replacement rate on the hybrid batteries is about 1 in 40,000 or 0.003%. In other words almost none.
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Re: camry hybrid battery pack [kdhspyder]
by backy
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Sep 03, 2008 (6:01 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Sep 03, 2008 2:08 pm)
Most Toyota and Honda and Nissan and now Hyundai vehicles have Powertrain Warranties that end at 60,000 miles...
Maybe you should check your data also.
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Re: camry hybrid battery pack [backy]
by kdhspyder
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Sep 03, 2008 (7:05 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Sep 03, 2008 6:01 pm)
I know..but if the vehicle is traded the next owner has a 5/60000 PTW, right? It's only the original owner that gets the 10/100,000 PWT, right?
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Re: camry hybrid battery pack [kdhspyder]
by backy
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Sep 03, 2008 (7:09 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Sep 03, 2008 7:05 pm)
Your initial statement was inaccurate.
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Re: camry hybrid battery pack [kdhspyder]
by railroadjames
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Sep 03, 2008 (8:53 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Sep 03, 2008 2:08 pm)
It's So refreshing to come to this site and notice that occasionaly someone sets the facts straight on the Prius and its various hybrid aspects. I headed a "topic" in this Web site called ..."50K Plus Miles: What We Think Now." Check it out for valuable (facts) about the most revolutionally car since the wheel was invented. Some comments found in this site have disturbed me from people with so called qualifications in engineering who really don't know what the heck they're talking about. I presently have close to 90K miles on my '04 Prius and average 46-48 mpg's. The car is simply amazing. The biggest concern I noticed brought up time and time again is the Batteries. While out in Vancouver B.C. where many taxi's are 2nd Gen Prius's the owners boast their praises of the incredable hybrid car. Not uncommon were taxi's with 200K and up with an outstanding reliability record says it all. One of the most annoying miss'infos is about the batteries and cost to replace. FACT is there's little to worry about and it is a missunderstanding to think that when the battery should need maintanence or replacment that the entire battery needs to be replaced. Actually truth be known...individual cells would be checked and only defective ones would be replaced keeping the cost down considerably. Again ..Thanks for keeping the facts real. We owners of Prius's are happy to say that ownership was and is our joy day after day. Almost 5 yrs and I am amazed that I found this car for $20 K and it's still worth $17K plus and I ain't a gonna part with it. Well....maybe I will when the 3rd gen comes along. RAILROADJAMES.
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Re: Help me understand the value of the hybrid. [sumrx4]
by ampeg500
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Sep 04, 2008 (10:38 am)
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Replying to: sumrx4 (Dec 13, 2007 8:41 am)
Personally, I would buy the Civic non-hybrid. I have a Civic coupe EX...but realistically, the hybrids are no fun to drive, they're way more expensive, and the dealers command MSRP for them, if not more. I got my Civic for invoice and I average 33 mpg (up to 40 on the highway). It would take a hybrid forever to pay for itself. Especially if you keep it for a long time and you have to shell out a couple grand to replace the batteries...
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Re: camry hybrid battery pack [railroadjames]
by stevedebi
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Sep 04, 2008 (12:50 pm)
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Replying to: railroadjames (Sep 03, 2008 8:53 pm)
" FACT is there's little to worry about and it is a missunderstanding to think that when the battery should need maintanence or replacment that the entire battery needs to be replaced. Actually truth be known...individual cells would be checked and only defective ones would be replaced keeping the cost down considerably."
Request you post the source of your "FACT". From what I have read here in the forums, all battery pack replacements have been the entire pack, NOT individual cells.
The other think people should consider that it is longevity that is the concern for the battery packs, NOT mileage.
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