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39 messages,  Last post on Sep 30, 2008 at 12:37 PM

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#30 of 39 Re: TORQUE [thegraduate] by spikepark

May 29, 2008 (1:12 pm)

Replying to: thegraduate (May 29, 2008 10:57 am)
Thank you Graduate- finally a real explanation of why Honda will probably not make an automatic version of the Si.
Others that have posted comments to my Si vs. Se-R comparison should take some pointers from the Graduate.
 
Thanks for the detailed explanation.

#31 of 39 Re: TORQUE [spikepark] by tiger72

May 30, 2008 (7:42 am)

Replying to: spikepark (May 29, 2008 1:12 pm)
I thought what he posted was fairly obvious already, and I figured anyone interested in a Civic Si would already know that a high-reving engine (like Honda engines) would lose all its fun with an auto tranny.

#32 of 39 Re: TORQUE [tiger72] by spikepark

May 30, 2008 (9:00 am)

Replying to: tiger72 (May 30, 2008 7:42 am)
Fair enough.

#33 of 39 Re: TORQUE [tiger72] by thegraduate

Jun 03, 2008 (11:29 am)

Replying to: tiger72 (May 30, 2008 7:42 am)
Well, I was basically responding to posts like #20 that recommended Honda do something like the Sentra and offer an automatic, maybe with reduced peak power.
 
The Sentra wouldn't lose all the fun because it has a lot more low-RPM power to play with, and automatics typically find the highest gear they can comfortably perform what the driver's foot expects. With a Civic, if running down a two-lane road in a "fun" way (i.e.: fast), and you let off the gas, the an automatic will go back to lower-RPM versus the high-RPM you were doing when you gunned it down the next straightaway. From that low RPM, the Sentra will still have some punch, while the Civic would be left waiting for the downshift to get it back "on-cam" and making its high-revving power.
 
With a manual, you can leave the Civic on-cam while not actually using the gas pedal, and will be immediately ready for the next big acceleration burst.

#34 of 39 Re: TORQUE [thegraduate] by spikepark

Jun 03, 2008 (12:31 pm)

Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 03, 2008 11:29 am)
Great explanation. I own an 06' automatic Civic and a friend of mine owns an automatic Sentra Se-R and I definitely agree with what you are saying.
I guess it is time to move to the manual Si when my lease is up.

#35 of 39 Re:auto/manual by kenlw

Sep 26, 2008 (11:38 am)

Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 03, 2008 11:29 am)
some of you seem to be be ignoring the fact that just because you COULD get an automatic you can still get a manual if you wanted. It's not an either/or situation. It's called an option....
 
btw, some folks can't "learn" to drive a manual. They have no right arm.

#36 of 39 Re:auto/manual [kenlw] by cz75

Sep 28, 2008 (8:26 am)

Replying to: kenlw (Sep 26, 2008 11:38 am)
I knew someone who drove one with his prosthetic.

#37 of 39 Re:auto/manual [kenlw] by thegraduate

Sep 28, 2008 (1:00 pm)

Replying to: kenlw (Sep 26, 2008 11:38 am)
We're just explaining why they aren't very plausible with this extreme powertrain tuning. I'm not ignoring a thing.

#38 of 39 Re:auto/manual [thegraduate] by kenlw

Sep 30, 2008 (11:44 am)

Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 28, 2008 1:00 pm)
my comments weren't directed at you in particular, it's just the way the forum is set up... but 2L or 1.8L, it's still a 4 cylinder civic for pete's sake. Some folks would gladly trade "performance" for a bit of power.
 
even tossing 25-30% with an auto, the 2L would still give you more power than the 1.8L (with auto). It's just that simple. Even tho personally i am perfectly able to use a manual and have in years past, my present needs just don't warrant a manual. (Driving 60-80 miles a day in Houston traffic isn't exactly cut out for performance of any type! ...endurance, yes, performance, no....)
 
Granted, the lack of torque at useable speeds would remain a handicap for most normal drivers, there's just no getting around the fundamental shortcomings of a high-rpm, low torque power plant for most urban drivers, manual or auto. Altho the auto would exacerbate the problems, it would still provide a bit more power for those that want it.

#39 of 39 Re:auto/manual [kenlw] by thegraduate

Sep 30, 2008 (12:37 pm)

Replying to: kenlw (Sep 30, 2008 11:44 am)
A more plausible engine for this car, if you wanted an automatic, would be the 2.0L from the Acura CSX (in Canada).
 
2.0L i-VTEC I-4
 
155hp at 6,000 RPM
139lb-ft at 4,500 RPM

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