Last post on Sep 30, 2008 at 12:37 PM
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Honda Civic, Coupe, Sedan
#20 of 39 Re: Civic Si Automatic [coupe2]
May 09, 2008 (1:53 pm)
Well, it definitely makes sense to me for Civic to offer an automatic version of the Si Sedan in 2009. Check out the competition:
Nissan offers the Sentra Se-R (race inspired) in both manual- the Spec-V with 200 HP and in automatic with 177 HP.
Why doesn't Honda take a similar path and develop a less powerful automatic Si- with say 175 HP. I'm sure that it would draw a lot more people in- especially with the regular Civic only offering 140 HP.
#21 of 39 Re: Civic Si Automatic [spikepark]
May 09, 2008 (2:48 pm)
I simply don't understand why folks don't just learn how to drive a car with a real transmission. I mean, come on, Honda transmissions are some of the easiest to clutch and shift manual transmissions ever built, and I've got to tell you, if my 73 year old Mother-In-Law can drive a stick well enough to appreciate my old 530i 5-Speed (she had a ball driving it by the way), then anybody can do it.
#22 of 39 No Automatic Si
May 09, 2008 (6:28 pm)
Apparently there are no plans for a civic Si automatic. Sorry but the K20Z1 is just too good for an automatic . It would probably be detuned and wouldn't rev so high due to the torque converter.
#23 of 39 Re: Civic Si Automatic [shipo]
May 12, 2008 (8:24 am)
"Obviously opinions differ, however, that the Mustang and the WRX have an automatic available means that for many individuals (me included), their prestige is seriously jeopardized."
I seriously agree with this statement. What's the point in having a performance car if you want to leave all of the control to the tranny? Just because other manufacturers defile their performance cars with an auto doesn't make it a good idea.
#24 of 39 Re: Civic Si Automatic [spikepark]
May 12, 2008 (8:27 am)
"Why doesn't Honda take a similar path and develop a less powerful automatic Si- with say 175 HP."
If you're willing to take that big of a performance hit just for an auto tranny, why not just take the Civic EX?
#25 of 39 Re: Civic Si Automatic [tiger72]
May 12, 2008 (1:43 pm)
Another thing to note is that the WRX is gutless with an automatic because of the powerband. An automatic mustang wouldn't be that big an issue if you were going to set it up as a drag car.
#26 of 39 Re: Civic Si Automatic [tiger72]
May 21, 2008 (1:01 pm)
Because, the regular Nissan Sentra is 140 hp just like the regular Civic.
The Sentra Se-R is 177 hp in auto. and 200 hp in manual.
The Civic Si is 198 hp in manual and could be 175 hp in auto.
Makes sense to me.
#27 of 39 Re: Civic Si Automatic [spikepark]
May 22, 2008 (8:37 am)
What's the point of the Si badge if it's just a 30hp boost? Just put a new intake and exhaust on the EX, hrow an Si (or Type R) sticker on the car and bam, you've got what you're looking for: an underpowered "performance" car.
#28 of 39 Re: Civic Si Automatic [tiger72]
May 22, 2008 (8:57 am)
A slammed Civic with fake badging? Yeah, what a totally cool idea!
May 29, 2008 (10:57 am)
A lot of people are overlooking the fact that the other performance cars mentioned have good horsepower, but also have a pretty good torque band as well. In the Civic Si, the power really doesn't pick up until 6,000 RPM. To utilize that properly, you really need to shift it yourself.
The Sentra that has been mentioned has what amounts to a Nissan Altima powertrain. It's larger in displacement, and offers much more usable power, without the race-car experience of the Civic Si. An automatic is ok there, because around town, it'll still feel punchy. A Civic Si has only 139 lb-ft of torque, and would feel little different from the mainstream 1.8L Civic with an auto left to rev under 4000rpm, as most people drive. The torque peak in the Civic is over 6,000 RPM, with max horsepower coming at 7,800 RPM. You need a manual tranny to utilize that power properly.