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#1 of 39 Civic Si Automatic
Dec 11, 2007 (11:06 am)
Does anyone know why Honda does not offer by now a civic si coupe or sedan with an automatic trans?
#2 of 39 Re: Civic Si Automatic [coupe2]
Dec 11, 2007 (11:12 am)
I've heard several:
- An automatic transmission ruins the sporty image of the Si brand
- The automatic that fits that car can't deal with the power of the engine
- The automatic hurts the performance of the car
Which is the truth? Don't know, however, I surely wouldn't want to own an Si with a nasty slush box.
#3 of 39 Re: Civic Si Automatic [shipo]
Dec 11, 2007 (11:38 am)
Thanks Shipo for the info. Subaru WRX...Eclipse.GT.Mustang GT...can make an auto...and it doesn't hurt their image at all. A six speed auto...would be awesome for people like me who prefer the auto...if Honda can't make it ...shame on Honda.
#4 of 39 Re: Civic Si Automatic [coupe2]
Dec 11, 2007 (12:29 pm)
Obviously opinions differ, however, that the Mustang and the WRX have an automatic available means that for many individuals (me included), their prestige is seriously jeopardized.
By the way, the Si isn't the first performance version of an otherwise pedestrian car that has been available only with a stick. The original version of Audi's Quattro system comes to mind, and while the list is relatively short, that isn't the only example. As I understand it, when Audi initially developed the second generation Quattro system, it was automatic only, and the cars languished on the dealer lots. Dedicated Quattro drivers wouldn't touch it and eventually forced Audi to bring the stick back.
#5 of 39 Re: Civic Si Automatic [coupe2]
Dec 11, 2007 (1:41 pm)
"Thanks Shipo for the info. Subaru WRX..."
This just in, the 2008 Subaru WRX STI is only available with a stick and a proper clutch pedal under the dash.
#6 of 39 Re: Civic Si Automatic [coupe2]
Dec 11, 2007 (10:14 pm)
Torque converters can't rev over 7,000 RPM. The Si is simply too high revving to have an auto transmission.
#7 of 39 Re: Civic Si Automatic [rv65]
Dec 12, 2007 (10:48 am)
Then how does Mazda put a six-speed automatic in the RX-8 (redlines at 7500rpm)? Or what about drag racers revving over 10,000rpm with auto tranny's? I thought the only limit was heat generation and having enough transmission cooling capacity.
#8 of 39 Uh,
Dec 12, 2007 (2:46 pm)
Honda probably doesn't want people who aren't skilled enough to drive a stick in their halo car for the USDM Civic line. Nevermind that an auto probably wouldn't be the best choice to take advantage of a car that makes all its power near redline.
#9 of 39 Re: Civic Si Automatic [drmbb]
Dec 13, 2007 (2:05 pm)
I agree...an automatic makes sense..especially with an si sedan...Oh well....guess I have to buy the eclpise with a 5 spe ed auto...
#10 of 39 Re: Civic Si Automatic [coupe2]
Dec 13, 2007 (3:40 pm)
Does not make any sense to me. People who buy Si love to have control over their cars, and often drive them close to the limit.
I personally don't want an auto to change gears on me and trigger a loss of traction while I'm in the middle of taking a corner...
Mustang owners obviously are more into straight line acceleration, so auto option is absolutely valid and does not surprise me here, and WRX is probably just trying to please American market...
For the record - I own 92 and 03 Si, and used to own 84 JDM one...