Article Comments - 2007-2008 V6 Family Sedans Comparison

51 messages, Last post on Jan 03, 2008 at 10:38 AM

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What is this discussion about? Chevrolet Malibu, Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Nissan Altima, Sedan

Comparison Test: 2007-2008 V6 Family Sedans - Each of the four entrants chosen for our comparison test represents the highest available trim level, and each is also packed with nearly every available option and an overachieving V6 power plant driving the front wheels. Heck, the least powerful engine in this test churns out 252 horsepower, a figure that was unheard of in the mainstream sedan world not long ago. (more)

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#32 of 51 Re: Pretty disapointed with comparison... [mypathy2001] by pmc4 Dec 14, 2007 (9:15 pm)
Replying to: mypathy2001 (Dec 14, 2007 9:04 am) "Hi PMC4" Hi. Anyway, NVH is, "Noise, Vibration and Harshness." "I still have yet to find any reason the Malibu is higher ... granted I think the interior is very nice, and it looks that it is much higher quality that previous versions, but other things just don't seem to be taken into account." The reason why you can't discount the Chevrolet Malibu (and why it's one of Car and Drivermagazine's 10-Best for 2008) is that it's built on the most celebrated platform of European sedans, the Opel Vectra platform. This isn't a rickety, rusty old GM platform we're talking about. Combine that with the car's other merits and it's a vehicle that must be cross-shopped with the Accord, Camry and Altima (please note the car was also a runner-up for Motor Trend's Carr of the Year). I'm suspecting Edmunds ranked the Camry so low is because they now can: The car is now no longer recommended by Consumer Reports. The fact that two new cars are now on the scene (Accord; Malibu) does not help the Toyota's case. I showed pictures showing the interiors of all four cars, and it seems as if Honda and Chevrolet made great advances in that department, as well. You're suprised the Chevy ranked #3 and not #4, which is understandable, given the fact that 1990's models had horrendous interior qualities. But I'm surprised the car didn't rank higher, in the #2 slot, given the car's European roots and class-leading interiors. If the Chevy can maintain some kind of positive reliability background, we'll see this car get even higher rankings in the near future.
#34 of 51 My 2 cents by tacoboy Dec 15, 2007 (8:58 pm)
Not to beat a dead horse, but I too was disappointed that the Camry SE was not included. In the Motor Trend comparo it was a runaway winner. It also won a comparo in MT a few months back against an Altima SE-R and a Ralliart Galant. Also, I would like to have seen the redesigned Taurus included. Even with AWD the price, power, and size match up reasonably well.
#35 of 51 Why is everyone hating on the Camry. by gpmillar31 Dec 16, 2007 (9:48 am)
Why are all the automobile websites and magazines picking the wrong Camry model to use in there comparison test. You guys pick the XLE when you should've picked the SE. I read another magazine yesterday who picked the SE when they should've picked the XLE. It's almost as if you're intentionally doing it on purpose, are you? I know a lot of people don't want Toyota to do well since there not Chevy. I lot of people would rather any other brand bet out Toyota. I agree with mypathy2001, look at the Camry SE's styling, it looks much better than any of the other models. I also own one, and I continue to get comments on it when I go somewhere. If most buyers go out and look at the new Accord, they will find out that it is the ugliest car in this bunch. I thought it looked great in the pics, but when I went to look at it in person, it looks like a new Saturn especially the back. The Camry's interior is different, which is good. The way it lights up at night with a blue glowing effect, is awesome, thats what most people don't get to see in the comparison test. Honestly, I hope everyone listens to you guys, so my Camry SE can be more exclusive to me. Replies to this message: pat (Dec 16, 2007 12:38 pm) alex789 (Dec 21, 2007 8:34 pm) gpmillar31 (Dec 27, 2007 11:04 am) alex789 (Dec 30, 2007 12:01 am)
#36 of 51 Insideline needs to look at Motortrend's comparison by gpmillar31 Dec 16, 2007 (10:59 am)
You guys need to look at the comparison tests at Motortrend and pick the right Camry model. It's amazing how they have the Camry number 1 and you guys have the Camry last. Please stop hating on Toyota. I notice how this website trys to bash Toyota any chance you get. You guys couldn't wait to tell everyone about Toyota's recalls, then the next thing you know you have an article about Toyota on the downfall, get real. Everyone reading this should go to Motortrend and look at their real comparison. The real truth can't be withheld forever. haha
#37 of 51 Re: Why is everyone hating on the Camry. [gpmillar31] by pat HOST Dec 16, 2007 (12:38 pm)
Replying to: gpmillar31 (Dec 16, 2007 9:48 am) Welcome to CarSpace! Appreciate your comments. Hope you will also pass them on directly to the editor. There is an email link just the right of his byline at top of the article.
#38 of 51 Re: Pretty disapointed with comparison... [jd10013] by andres3 Dec 18, 2007 (11:15 pm)
Replying to: jd10013 (Dec 14, 2007 4:19 pm) named as a top 10 (only engine to make the top 10 all 14 years wards has been doing it). Now thats fair enough, they are entitled to their opinion, but now they come out and give the sedan a 2nd place in this compro. I know, its a sedan compared to a coupe, but they aren't that different. not enough to go pile of crap to runner up. Actually, if you read and comprehended Edmunds' comparo, you would have realized that they did in fact state that the Altima sedan was vastly superior to the Coupe version. They basically made the case that while Nissan may have spent countless engineering hours on the sedan, the coupe was likely developed in a single overtime shift on a Friday afternoon! Also, The VQ engine was good, that is.... until the Honda/Acura 3.5 came out; at least according to this Edmunds comparo. Makes sense to me... when something newer and much better comes out, what seemed good no longer is. $100 was a fantastic prize in 1807, but fast forward to today, and it's not such a big jackpot. You also make it clear you believe all of the workers at Edmunds must get paid on the side by Consumer Reports as well. Edmunds isn't the only source which rates Honda highly. Are Edmunds employees getting checks from CR too? Replies to this message: bv050506 (Dec 19, 2007 6:48 am) golfrski (Dec 20, 2007 7:40 am) jd10013 (Dec 19, 2007 4:23 pm) blufz1 (Dec 19, 2007 9:36 pm)
#39 of 51 Re: Article Comments: V6 Comparison Test [pmc4] by andres3 Dec 18, 2007 (11:21 pm)
Replying to: pmc4 (Dec 12, 2007 9:43 pm) In fact, sometimes, a car is Number One even though it does not belong there, and is there only because of prestige, history or other qualities not related to the car itself. I think you are 100% incorrect in stating this line above. First, how can you discount reputation, history, record, performance, results, data, prestige???? Unless Honda or Toyota did something like fire or retire every single engineer, designer, quality control manager, and assembly line worker, and had 100% turnover from one model to the next, or one year to the next, then there is no reason to discount any of those criteria. The reputations they have earned come from good hard work that was competent and efficient, and most importantly beneficial to the world. Replies to this message: hackd (Dec 19, 2007 8:24 am)
#40 of 51 Re: Pretty disapointed with comparison... [andres3] by bv050506 Dec 19, 2007 (6:48 am)
Replying to: andres3 (Dec 18, 2007 11:15 pm) Well the VQ is proven over time, like forever. The new 3.5 Honda engine is new and while it looks great and appears to be a great engine, time will tell. Still not sure it's superior to the VQ however. The Nissan VQ 3.5 mated to the CVT tranny is superior IMHO. I don't believe all the other jargon about Edmunds getting paid on the side. They have always loved honda, and why not a great car for sure. To me it's like watching the olympics, the judges are already predisposed as to who they think should win. To say the new honda 3.5 is better than the VQ is jumping the gun in my book. Replies to this message: golfrski (Dec 20, 2007 7:40 am)
#41 of 51 Re: Article Comments: V6 Comparison Test [andres3] by hackd Dec 19, 2007 (8:24 am)
Replying to: andres3 (Dec 18, 2007 11:21 pm) I actually agree with his/her posted comment when it comes strictly to a review. When I read a review I don't want company history or previous year accomplishments included. For example I have a brain and realize Honda has great resale value and a track record of quality. Unfortunately when I am driving a new car that doesn't factor into how that car handles or performs....that is the info I want reviewed so I can get other opinions. I will separately factor in the car manufacturer's history and resell value when I ultimately make my car buying decision.