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#121 of 125 Re: Sorry to say, but... [Mr_Shiftright]
Jan 28, 2011 (8:47 am)
We've touched on this before in other threads, but I am stunned by how many dealers are buying cars at these auctions. I've been watching the televised auctions several years and can now recognize who many of the dealers are. How do these guys make money buying cars at retail prices and expect to make a reasonable profit????
Now, admittedly, the bulk of what dealers buy are on Tues, Weds & Thurs before the high-dollar iron rolls out on Friday & Sat. And, I will say I do see some nice deals from time to time during these early days of an auction. But, with all of the major auction companies posting their sales results online, any schmO with internet access can see what a car sold for at auction.
Some of you might remember I ran into this situation this past summer with a 1965 Tempest convertible that was tweaked and badged to look like a GTO. It was a tasteful job and the dealer was up front that it was not a real GTO. But, I happened to find out he bought it one year before at a Mecum auction and paid what I (and Shifty and others in this group) considered to be the absolute top dollar for this car - $19K. I offered him $19K, but he was adamant about wanting to make a profit (swore he'd never taken a loss on a car before) and refused to take anything less than $23K or $24K - so I walked.
Yes, I agree that most of the sale prices at Barrett-Jackson are obscene. But, when you have more money than God (as many in that crowd typically do), I guess it really doesn't matter.
#122 of 125 Re: Sorry to say, but... [parm]
Jan 28, 2011 (8:56 am)
Well, you seem take it a bit more serously than I do:
You say: " most of the sale prices at Barrett-Jackson are obscene. "
I'd say: " most of the sale prices at Barrett-Jackson are silly. "
You say: "when you have more money than God"
I'd say: "when you have more money than sense"
Like Shifty says, it's just a show, one put on by the best used car salesmen in the land. Nothing against that, but why would we expect something other than what we get?
#123 of 125 Re: Sorry to say, but... [texases]
Jan 28, 2011 (10:58 am)
B-J is a show. No question about that and I buy into it as I find much of it entertaining. Guilty as charged. But, at the end of the day, when all the hoopla has died down, real cars have changed hands for real money. So, even though it is conducted under a big top (literally) in a circus-like atmosphere (though not as outlandish as a Russo & Steele auction), its still a business.
To get back on point, I wonder how (or if) the business of collector auctions will be as successful as they apparently are today, given the downward direction of the hobby that is being predicted here.
Personally, I don't think the collector car market has anything to worry about in my lifetime (I'm 50). People will always want old stuff and cars are usually at, or near, the top of a lot of guys (and gals) list. From what I can see, the public's interest in collector cars seems to be getting stronger, not weaker. As an example, just this week, the History channel debuted a new show (Desert Car Kings) about a salvage yard in Arizona where they take an old car in bad shape and fix it up in two weeks and sell it at auction. That's just one of several cars about old cars that weren't on air a few years ago. TV networks spend a lot of money researching to provide programs the public wants (though that still doesn't explain Laverne & Shirley!) and there's apparently a big enough demand from the public to warrant that investment.
#124 of 125 Re: Sorry to say, but... [parm]
Jan 28, 2011 (11:08 am)
I'll have to catch that show - do they compare the sales price to the money and time spent?
And I agree, those of us that can remember cars of the 60s and early 70s will keep things going, but I do wonder about those 40 and under - some will want to own old iron, but it will be more a curiosity to most of them.
#125 of 125 Re: Sorry to say, but... [parm]
Jan 28, 2011 (11:39 am)
You're saying, in your second paragraph, that demand for collector cars appears to be strong. Maybe so, based on the auctions you cited, but I still wouldn't choose to invest in a collector car auction company.
As every mutual fund display of past performance must disclose, "past performance is not indicative of the future," or words to that effect.