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Should the US government bring back the 55 mph max speed limit again?

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Re: And without a drop to 55mph [steve_] by ruking1
Dec 15, 2008 (10:36 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 15, 2008 10:25 am)

ESPECIALLY DURING the Siberian JR. months. UPSTATE NY is home to the USA world wide HARSH (ARCTIC) command, aka, the illustrious and august 10th Mountain Division. link title
 
Shorts and tee shirt weather is 31 degrees F. (H20 of course freezes 32 degrees.... hoo rah !!!
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Re: And without a drop to 55mph [ruking1] by steve_ HOST
Dec 15, 2008 (10:45 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 15, 2008 10:36 am)

When I lived in Alaska I could see Siberia from my home. It's interesting that Solzhenitsyn moved to Vermont instead of, say, Panama City.
 
I'm not sure why this story is dated today; the finding were probably posted in here a year ago. But it makes for a snappy headline to get us back on topic:
 
US DOT Report Confirms Speed Not Major Accident Cause (thenewspaper.com)
 
And I'm not sure I believe this guy's story - maybe he mistakenly rented a police cruiser? "In two hours in moderate traffic, we saw no one seriously exceeding that 75-mph posted speed limit."
 
It's time to raise the speed limit (National Post)
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Re: And without a drop to 55mph [steve_] by ruking1
Dec 15, 2008 (10:51 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 15, 2008 10:45 am)

That US DOT report subject matter was literally 53 years in the making. It actually ranks as "cursing in church" as it has LONG been dogma and comission of heresy to deviate from "SPEED KILLS" So while a generation or so LATE, I for one welcome the more "transparent look"
 
I am waiting for one of the other truths to be published, (might take another 53 years) that the overwhelming majority (80% of the fatalities) happen at 45 mph and UNDER.
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Re: And without a drop to 55mph [cdn_tch] by grbeck
Dec 15, 2008 (12:14 pm)
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Replying to: cdn_tch (Dec 14, 2008 6:59 pm)

cdn_tch: Actually the NHTSA brought it up saying that they expect there to be about a 10% (that would be somewhere around 4,000) drop in highway fatalities.
 
The real story here is that a similar drop occurred during the first fuel crisis in 1974, and it was credited to the enactment of the nationwide 55 mph speed limit.
 
But 34 years later, a drop of similar magnitude occurs, without any change in the speed limit, but during another big run-up in gasoline prices. Which suggests that the drop in 1974 was due to other factors, not the enactment of the 55 speed limit.
 
And, on an anecdotal level, I've noted that while traffic volume is down on major highways, people are not slowing down. After Thanksgiving, we traveled on the Pennsylvania Turnpike, and most people were driving 75 mph. I kept the speed at 65 mph (the speed limit) as a test for a few miles, and we were passed by virtually everyone.
 
So, people are driving LESS (gasoline usage and miles driven are both down for the year, if I recall correctly), but they aren't slowing down on limited access highways when they do drive.
  
cdn_tch: So every death that can be prevented, should be. Lest you be the one delivering or have delivered to you the sad news that someone you care for is never coming home.
 
Only problem is that imposing an arbitrary and too-low speed limit on limited access highways is a waste of money and law enforcement resources, and won't do anything to prevent deaths.
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Re: And without a drop to 55mph [grbeck] by cdn_tch
Dec 15, 2008 (12:44 pm)
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Replying to: grbeck (Dec 15, 2008 12:14 pm)

The real story here is that a similar drop occurred during the first fuel crisis in 1974, and it was credited to the enactment of the nationwide 55 mph speed limit.
  
But 34 years later, a drop of similar magnitude occurs, without any change in the speed limit, but during another big run-up in gasoline prices. Which suggests that the drop in 1974 was due to other factors, not the enactment of the 55 speed limit.

 
In '74 some of the enforcement was draconian. so people did slow down then. Also when there are fewer vehicles on the road, the lower congestion will also improve safety.
 
I kept the speed at 65 mph (the speed limit) as a test for a few miles, and we were passed by virtually everyone.
 
No you were not. You were only passed by those who were doing at least 75 because at a speed less than that they would not be able to catch and pass you within the few minutes you were doing 65!
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Re: And without a drop to 55mph [cdn_tch] by explorerx4
Dec 15, 2008 (4:32 pm)
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Replying to: cdn_tch (Dec 15, 2008 12:44 pm)

grbeck, how many vehicles did you pass when you sped up from 65mph?
my guess is not many.
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Re: And without a drop to 55mph [cdn_tch] by grbeck
Dec 16, 2008 (6:56 am)
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Replying to: cdn_tch (Dec 15, 2008 12:44 pm)

cdn_tch: In '74 some of the enforcement was draconian. so people did slow down then. Also when there are fewer vehicles on the road, the lower congestion will also improve safety.
 
Enforcement didn't become much stricter until the Carter administration, when states were required to prove that a certain percentage of drivers were obeying the 55 mph speed limit, or lose part of their federal highway money. The Carter administration didn't begin until January 1977.
 
It has also been repeatedly shown that lowering speed limits on limited access highways has little or no effect on how fast most people drive. The only thing it does is increase speed variance between the fastest drivers and the slower ones, who obey the speed limit.
 
cdn_tch: No you were not. You were only passed by those who were doing at least 75 because at a speed less than that they would not be able to catch and pass you within the few minutes you were doing 65!
 
We were initially traveling at 65 mph. We passed NO ONE. We were passed by a steady stream of vehicles.
 
When we sped up to 75 mph, we were going with the flow of traffic...although we were passed by a few cars driving 80 mph and over.
 
We also passed only one or two cars. We did pass a few tractor trailers.
 
Using the principles of logical reasoning, based upon observation, one could conclude that most people are driving 75 mph - at least on the Pennsylvania Turnpike.
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Re: And without a drop to 55mph [grbeck] by ruking1
Dec 16, 2008 (8:34 am)
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Replying to: grbeck (Dec 16, 2008 6:56 am)

Indeed even with the current limits and defacto "realities" the 65 speed limits do NOT enjoin folks who wish to go 35/40 miles from doing that !!!!
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Re: And without a drop to 55mph [explorerx4] by grbeck
Dec 16, 2008 (11:14 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Dec 15, 2008 4:32 pm)

We passed a few (3-4) passenger cars, and 2-3 tractor trailers. But, you are right, we did not pass that many. Meanwhile, there was a constant stream of cars passing us.
 
This was a trip of about 55 miles.
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Re: And without a drop to 55mph [ruking1] by grbeck
Dec 16, 2008 (11:17 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 16, 2008 8:34 am)

I don't want them driving 35 mph. That is too slow. Really, 55 mph is too slow. I've come upon a car driving 55 mph when everyone else is driving at least 70 mph. These slower drivers are major roadblocks. Other drivers overtake them very quickly, and have to move abruptly into the passing lane to get around them, or brake suddenly.
 
If you can't drive at least 70 mph on a limited access highway in good weather, then stay home. This is 2008, not 1938.

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