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Should the US government bring back the 55 mph max speed limit again?

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Re: And without a drop to 55mph [kernick] by cdn_tch
Dec 11, 2008 (7:19 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Dec 11, 2008 4:44 pm)

It's great that there has been a drop in fatalities, but what are the reasons for it?
 
First, there was a 3.5% drop in miles traveled. Original NHTSA paper
Second, seat belt usage rose to 83% in 2008, the highest rate in history.
Third, from From a NHTSA web page "Improved Road Safety"
 
The above are facts from NHTSA, one speculation from me is with $4+ gas, some people may have actually slowed down to save gas. (not to 55, but maybe to the SL instead of 5-10 over?)
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Re: And without a drop to 55mph [cdn_tch] by fintail
Dec 11, 2008 (7:22 pm)
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Replying to: cdn_tch (Dec 11, 2008 7:19 pm)

Anecdorally, I don't recall seeing people drive any slower 5 months ago when gas spiked, compared to today. Of course, in my area most people are unfit to drive at more than 50mph, so they go painfully slow when they meander onto the highways.
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Re: And without a drop to 55mph [fintail] by steve_ HOST
Dec 11, 2008 (8:07 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 11, 2008 7:22 pm)

I don't recall seeing people drive any slower
 
I do, but this isn't a frenzied driving area typically either.
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Re: And without a drop to 55mph [cdn_tch] by ruking1
Dec 11, 2008 (11:43 pm)
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Replying to: cdn_tch (Dec 11, 2008 7:19 pm)

I am surprised they did not mention at all the role of app 40% DUI of accidents and fatalities past and how it interrelates during the current 2008 year. Again not a peep about the higher defacto speed limits.
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Re: And without a drop to 55mph [cdn_tch] by kernick
Dec 12, 2008 (9:30 am)
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Replying to: cdn_tch (Dec 11, 2008 7:19 pm)

First, there was a 3.5% drop in miles traveled.
 
But the report said that the fatalities haven't been this low since Lyndon Johnson' days the 60's. So, even during the 70's and 80's when the national SL was 55mph the number of fatalities was higher. And during the 70's and 80's how many cars and how many total miles were driven. So simply having a 55 mph SL is not going to save lives, as you point out in the following:
 
Second, seat belt usage rose to 83% in 2008, the highest rate in history
 
Yes and voluntary usage of seatbelts is good if you want to improve your safety. And you also have the voluntary options to add other injury and life-saving equipment. For instance I'm enjoying my new snow/ice tires (and the government didn't have to write a law telling me to be smart!).
 
Third, from From a NHTSA web page "Improved Road Safety"
 
Yes road safety is mainly a factor of the improving technology of our vehicles. As more and more vehicle with stability control enter the fleet, and radar systems, the fatality rates will continue to drop.
 
Now if we could just do something to really keep drunks off the road, and keep inexperienced teens from racing/showing off/and generally fooling around.
 
These are the sorts of things that improve safety; not telling they need to drive 55mph on an interstate.
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Re: And without a drop to 55mph [kernick] by ruking1
Dec 12, 2008 (9:46 am)
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Replying to: kernick (Dec 12, 2008 9:30 am)

Indeed the issues are pretty clear.
 
Higher speed limits ( and defacto) are actually RESULTING in safer highways, aka does NOT result in the projected carnage predicted by the 55 mph and less advocates and fear mongerers: given a host of modifying variables. Now I realize that is not the party line and the conclusion/s are not ones they want to emphasize.
 
One just has to remember to look to Europe as a baseline. They have 80 mph to NO speed limits and their fatality rate (per capita) is similar to ours. The modifying variables are materially the same.
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Re: And without a drop to 55mph [ruking1] by steve_ HOST
Dec 12, 2008 (9:53 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 12, 2008 9:46 am)

I posted a link a month or three ago that indicated that EU speed limits were very similar to the US ones.
 
For instance I'm enjoying my new snow/ice tires (and the government didn't have to write a law telling me to be smart!).
 
Kernick, move just a bit farther north to Quebec and you'll be both smart and legal.
 
Quebec prepares to become the first province to make winter tires compulsory (Globe & Mail)
 
[edit - you still have power Kernick? Sounds like quite the ice storm up there]
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Re: And without a drop to 55mph [steve_] by ruking1
Dec 12, 2008 (9:58 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 12, 2008 9:53 am)

For sure it depends how you measure it.
 
So for example point a to b and importantly END DESTINATION to END DESTINATION, believe it or not it is almost impossible to get much over 55 mph AVERAGE. So just because a European has a 55 mph AVERAGE it doesn't mean for example he has not gone 120 mph in achieving that average, nor woujld it necessarily mean an American HAD to go 120 mph, yet still achieve the same AVERAGE..
 
So again the methodology is all important.
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Re: And without a drop to 55mph [ruking1] by steve_ HOST
Dec 12, 2008 (9:59 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 12, 2008 9:58 am)

No, I mean that with the exception of parts of the Autobahn, most of the EU posted limits are similar to ours.

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