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#268 of 1079 Re: 2009 Camry V6 Consumers Report? [velde]
May 25, 2008 (8:03 am)
Buy the V6. The engine and transmssion are flawless. I assume you know the V6 is the Lexus engine. I get Consumer Reports magazine, too - but any problems have been fixed; Note also that consumer reports test of the 2007 only got 1 less mpg than the 4 cylinder - and that was using regular gas in both. You are getting over 100 more horsepower with the V6. On the highway, I think I get better mileage than the hybrid - but I use premium gas.
I am reposting what said in my post #229 2009 Camry V-6 - Pass on 4 cyl by paul3637 Apr 23, 2008 (8:23 am) Replying to: caaz (Mar 17, 2008 7:54 pm).
It's been another month since that post and I have yet to have my first "problem" and the gas mileage is unbelievably good.
After testing a new 2008 Honda Accord V-6 with its "run on 3 cylinders at cruising speeds" technology and wind and road noise so bad that I had to turn the radio up to drown it out, I purchased a 2009 Camry 3.5 Liter 268 HP V-6 with its smooth as silk Lexus drive train. I drive 80% highway (55 to 75 mph) and 20% city and I was hoping it would get the same 30 mpg as my 1997 Camry. Using Shell "top tier" (high detergent) premium gasoline to take advantage of the timing advance feature which improves power and gas mileage over regular gas, after over 1,000 miles, I have gotten 36 - yes that's thirty six - miles to the gallon. Consumer reports rates the 158 HP 4 cyl Camry as "underpowered" and the EPA ratings don't take into account that you practically have to "push the pedal to the metal" to go up a steep hill. My 1997 Camry V-6 always got better mileage than my friends' Camrys with the 4 cyl. My 2009 V-6 gets better mileage than my neighbor's 2008 4 cyl Camry which is driven 90% highway and 10% city due to the nature of his job. And the mild engine vibration due to the design nature of all 4 cyl engines to me is annoying as heck. My 2009 Camry V-6 drive train is quieter, smoother, and more powerful than my wife's 2002 Lexus ES300 (3.0 Liter 220 HP V-6.)
The two problems with the 2007 V-6 - Oil consumption and transmission "flash" between shifts" are solved as follows: There never was an oil burning problem - the crankcase capacity was increased to from 5 to 6.4 quarts in the 2007's because they run hot to meet EPA requirements and many Toyota dealers and Quick Lube shops were only putting in 5 quarts when the oil was changed. Because the oil is so clear and splashes up on the dipstick holder, I can only get a a good read on the oil level when the car has sat level in the garage overnight. Thus far, the oil level has not moved from the "full" marker in over 1,000 miles. The transmission fix was taken care of in a TSB (there was a recall letter for it) and the new ones have the "fix" built into the six speed automatic transmission.
As for premium versus regular gas: here in Kansas City - regular is $3.59 a gallon and premium is $3,79. That's a 5.6% increase in cost that delivers about a 10% increase in gas mileage so it is actually cheaper to run premium fuel than regular.
#269 of 1079 Re: 2009 Toyota Camry MSRP [sreey]
May 25, 2008 (8:42 am)
You're welcome. That is an excellent price. Usually 4 cylinder Camry LE
s have about an $1800.00 mark up from invoice to MSRP. So you are getting it way below invoice. If you like the car go ahead and buy it. The majority of Camrys sold are the 4 cylinder versions. I'd say 85-90%. Some people prefer the V6 due to more power but you really don't need it. The JBL upgrade system is good due to the hands free telephone (Bluetooth) that alone is worth the price of the option. No more talking on the cell phone and one hand on the wheel.
#270 of 1079 Re: 2009 Camry V6 Consumers Report? [paul3637]
May 25, 2008 (11:33 am)
Thanks very much; I was planning to test both the Accord and the Camry this week. Reading all the customer reviews on both models is conflicting. Your information was very informative and helped to clear up the confusion.
#271 of 1079 Re: 2009 Camry V6 Consumers Report? [velde]
May 26, 2008 (2:17 pm)
To make sure you are testing comparable cars - Honda vs Camry - make sure you drive the Camry SE V6 and a Camry LE or XLE V6 with traction and stability control. These improve the handling ....... and even with these options, the Camry is cheaper than the Accord,
I got a plain LE V6 because I was able to get my '09 dirt cheap (below invoice) because it was on the lot and they were trying to rid themselves of excess inventory due to the slower sales all cars are showing. All the SE's and XLE's with traction and stability control were also loaded with thousands of dollars of extras that I did not want or need. If you "corner hard" or drive through curvy mountain roads, you probably want the extra handling capability in your Camry. Also, when you drive the Accord, listen for and feel the vibration when their "run on 3 cylinder" technology kicks in. When I bought my car, the Toyota dealer had a used 08 Accord sitting on the lot that a Doctor bought and the 3 cyl thing drove him nuts so he traded it in on a new Avalon.
#272 of 1079 Re: 2009 Camry V6 Consumers Report? [paul3637]
May 27, 2008 (9:26 am)
There are only two ways someone would take note, notice, during a test drive if a car has TC and VSC. Drive at the "edge" on an adverse, slippery, roadbed, or on a race course, again, at the "edge".
"..These improve the handling..."
Not in the ordinary scheme of things.
Highly desireable options, especially TC for FWD or F/AWD, but.......
#273 of 1079 Re: Camry CE and LE differences [mcdawgg]
May 29, 2008 (7:09 pm)
I also bougth a 5 speed manual Camry 2009 one month ago and I am disappointed with it. I don't know of you have noticed a buzzing when you run it at 45MPH or more. I have to turn on the CD player or the radio to try not to hear it. Since I already know that the buzzing is there, it annoys me. When I tested the car I had the windows opened so I couldn't hear it. I went back to the dealer and tested the car again and he also noticed the noise. We tested couple more 5 speed manual camrys 2009 and they had the same buzzing noise. We tested an automatic, it didn't have it. So, I took the car to the dealer's mechanical service and they tested it again. They also noticed the buzzing noise. It was Saturday when they tested it, so they couldn't call Toyota to find out what was going on. They suggested that maybe because the car is "new"??!! is making that noise. They told me to bring the car when it will have 1000 miles on it to check if the noise is still there. According to them, Toyota was going to suggest the same. The car already has 450 miles and the noise is there and getting more noticeable, at least for me. I noticed that when it rains that buzzing is more noticeable. And now that I use the A/C frecuently, I notice that the car vibrates a lot when the A/C is on mostly the steering wheel. It feels like it has a diesel engine instead of a regular one. But again, the car only vibrates when the A/C is on. If the A/C is off then the car is very quiet. So, now I have 2 reasons to go back to see the dealer when the car will have 1000 miles. Does anyone who owns a 5 speed manual camry 2009 has experienced the same problems? any suggestions?
#274 of 1079 Re: Camry CE and LE differences [daalcca]
May 29, 2008 (8:23 pm)
I have a 2007 CE 5 speed manual (really the same as the 2009) and do not have these problems. Could you provide more detail about the buzzing?
Also, you might want to check Toyotanation.com.
#275 of 1079 Re: Camry CE and LE differences [mcdawgg]
May 30, 2008 (3:09 pm)
Actually, I am not sure how to define it. Is kind of a buzzing or whistle and it is more noticeable when you are riding at 45 MPH or more or when you are riding at more than 50MPH and then you switch the manual stick in "neutral". Have you noticed that your engine vibrates more when you turn on the A/C? In my new car that is very evident, I mean there is a lot of difference in the vibration of the engine depending if the A/C is on or off.
#276 of 1079 Timing Chain
May 31, 2008 (6:38 pm)
I read in one of the post that the timing belt was changed to a timing chain. Is that on all Camrys or only V6?
#277 of 1079 Re: Timing Chain [mburbage]
May 31, 2008 (8:17 pm)
The 4-cylinder in the Camry as of the 2002 model year, and the V6 as of the 2007 model year -- so timing chains throughout the Camry lineup as of today.