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Re: Subaru Reliability [sibmx] by p0926
Nov 27, 2007 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: sibmx (Nov 24, 2007 8:56 pm)

Since you've throughly researched the Forester on Edmunds, I'm sure you ran accross my 14 Nov post in Subaru Forester Engine Issues in which I addressed the tendency for problems to appear magnified in general by the Internet and even more so for Subaru and the Forester in specific here on Edmunds because of the extremely active participation of Forester owners.
 
Honestly, some times I get tired of refuting misperceptions and am tempted to tell people to just go ahead and get a Toyota
 
-Frank
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Re: Subaru Reliability [p0926] by ateixeira
Nov 27, 2007 (9:33 am)
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Replying to: p0926 (Nov 27, 2007 8:40 am)

We have a Toyota (and a Subaru and a Mazda), and believe me, people still complain.
 
Transmission hesitation, engine sludge (even though that was 2 engine generations ago), drive-by-wire throttle delays, power sliding doors on the vans.
 
And these are the reliable vans.
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Re: Subaru Reliability [ateixeira] by batman47
Nov 27, 2007 (10:04 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 27, 2007 9:33 am)

Although I drove a Hyundai Tucson for more than 60K miles in total (America and Europe), this car presently has not any noise or squeaks. I thought originally that this car was a proper off road and I took it on tracks that only big trucks could adventure. All of this was done with a roof box and two weighty boxes in the cargo area plus the passenger area. I did all the maintenance myself according to the owner manual. However a feel I should buy a car that it is not a Hyundai in spite that the present car has never caused me any problem. This is a funny world.
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Re: Subaru Reliability [batman47] by ateixeira
Nov 27, 2007 (10:14 am)
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Replying to: batman47 (Nov 27, 2007 10:04 am)

Very good point.
 
Perception lags behind reality.
 
In automotive reliability, I'd say by about 5 years.
 
Hyundai will have to build solid cars for at least 5 years before the public even begins to change their perception of what a Hyundai is. The 2004 Sonata was the most reliable car in CR's survey, ahead of all Lexus models by the way.
 
Conversely, Toyota's new 6 speed transmission has given them problems but people refuse to believe it's true, and still rate Toyota at the top (Consumer Reports says they dropped to #3 behind Honda and Subaru).
 
To be fair, Hyundai earned a bad rep with the Excel subcompact, and in this case people don't have short memories.
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Re: Subaru Reliability [ateixeira] by paisan
Nov 27, 2007 (4:48 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 27, 2007 10:14 am)

To be fair, Hyundai earned a bad rep with the Excel subcompact, and in this case people don't have short memories.
 
What was wrong with the Excel? My friend's dad bought 2 of them for $10k total with tax in college for him and his dad. 4speed manuals, am/fm radios, no A/C But for 100k, the cars ran without mechanical issues.
 
-mike
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Re: Subaru Reliability [paisan] by ateixeira
Nov 28, 2007 (8:11 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Nov 27, 2007 4:48 pm)

Thing about selling a $5000 car in 1986 is that the people that owned them didn't take much care of them. I remember used ones in 1988 selling for $2000, so they depreciated like crazy, too.
 
Back then they used a pretty basic Mitsubishi powertrain, so they may have been OK if you took care of them.
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Re: Subaru Reliability [ateixeira] by paisan
Nov 28, 2007 (5:23 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 28, 2007 8:11 am)

The ones I was speaking of were 1994 model years.
 
-mike
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Re: Subaru Reliability [paisan] by ateixeira
Nov 29, 2007 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Nov 28, 2007 5:23 pm)

By the mid 90s Hyundai had already started improving...significantly.
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Re: Subaru Reliability [ateixeira] by p0926
Nov 30, 2007 (12:30 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 27, 2007 9:33 am)

We have a Toyota and believe me, people still complain. Transmission hesitation, engine sludge (even though that was 2 engine generations ago), drive-by-wire throttle delays, power sliding doors on the vans. And these are the reliable vans.
 
Whoa, I stand corrected! I didn't realize how fast Toyota had gone down hill... The weekly Click & Clack Car Talk column in yesterday's paper had a letter from the owner of a 3-year old Sienna with 28k miles. The writer said that within the span of a month both power sliding rear doors fell off and that Toyota customer service had acknoweledged that they were aware of the problem but that Toyota was refusing to pay for the repairs!
 
Talk about a publicity nightmare. There's nothing quite like getting slammed in a nationally syndicated column
 
-Frank
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Re: Subaru Reliability [p0926] by ateixeira
Nov 30, 2007 (1:38 pm)
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Replying to: p0926 (Nov 30, 2007 12:30 pm)

I think in that specific case the owner was exaggerating a bit.
 
There is a TSB on the doors where some welds can break on 04-06 models and separate partially, but they don't quite "fall off".
 
I think that just sounds better for dramatic effect.
 
Also, Toyota recently announced they were going to cover the doors under a 7/100 warranty, with letters going out to all owners. I'm surprised that made yesterday's paper, it's probably from a radio show from a few weeks ago, prior to Toyota's announcement.
 
I'm sure the Toyota PR machine is all over that one.
 
2007-2008 models have had no recalls at all so far and are not affected. 04-06 models are still the highest rated van for reliability according to CR.
 
Like I said, though, people love to complain. I'm sure Click & Clack published that because doors falling off just sounds funny.

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