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Subaru Reliability by sibmx
Nov 24, 2007 (8:56 pm)
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I have been doing research for a few months already. Overall, everybody rates Foresters as reliable cars but after reading this forum and http://www.carsurvey.org/model_Subaru_Forester.html
 I have second thoughts.
 I am looking for a reliable car on the first place and after reading forums and numerous articles it appears that Subarus got a lot of issues: bearings, head gaskets, leaks, electrical problems..... I know that head gasket and bearing problems are fixed in new models, but new owners complain about hesitation in cold weather, electrical problems, poor paint quality etc. What is it all about???? Is Subaru quality going down. My friend owns 98 Forester with 138 000 miles with no problems at all. But ON THIS FORUM I read stories when people have major problems with new Foresters.
 Many of my friends drive Hondas and Toyotas, some of them got over 150 000 miles with no major issues.
 Is Forester going to last that long without expensive repairs? Can anybody comment on the current issues with Foresters and rate its reliability?
 I was also wondering which Subaru is more reliable - Forester 2005-2007 or Outback 2005-2007?
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Re: Subaru Reliability [sibmx] by xwesx
Nov 24, 2007 (10:28 pm)
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Replying to: sibmx (Nov 24, 2007 8:56 pm)

Well, you have to remember that the majority of posts you will see center around problems with vehicles. This still represents a very small number of overall vehicles. People are far more likely going to find a site like Edmunds when they are looking for a solution to a problem than if they are happy with the vehicle.
 
I put 220,000 miles on a '96 Outback without what I would consider any "major" problems. 150,000 miles?
 
Should be fairly easy, but depends greatly on the drivers' habits, maintenance, and, to some extent, on luck of the draw. Manufacturing problems often show up within the warranty period, so while that does not make an owner experiencing the problem feel any better, at least the expense of the repair is covered. By 100,000 miles or more, problems tend to center more around use than defects in manufacturing.
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Re: Subaru Reliability [sibmx] by ateixeira
Nov 26, 2007 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: sibmx (Nov 24, 2007 8:56 pm)

People seek out forums to complain.
 
I had mine for 9 trouble-free years, and I still miss it.
 
In fact we will very likely get a 2009 model when those come out. Can't wait.
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Re: Subaru Reliability [sibmx] by p0926
Nov 27, 2007 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: sibmx (Nov 24, 2007 8:56 pm)

Since you've throughly researched the Forester on Edmunds, I'm sure you ran accross my 14 Nov post in Subaru Forester Engine Issues in which I addressed the tendency for problems to appear magnified in general by the Internet and even more so for Subaru and the Forester in specific here on Edmunds because of the extremely active participation of Forester owners.
 
Honestly, some times I get tired of refuting misperceptions and am tempted to tell people to just go ahead and get a Toyota
 
-Frank
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Re: Subaru Reliability [p0926] by ateixeira
Nov 27, 2007 (9:33 am)
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Replying to: p0926 (Nov 27, 2007 8:40 am)

We have a Toyota (and a Subaru and a Mazda), and believe me, people still complain.
 
Transmission hesitation, engine sludge (even though that was 2 engine generations ago), drive-by-wire throttle delays, power sliding doors on the vans.
 
And these are the reliable vans.
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Re: Subaru Reliability [ateixeira] by batman47
Nov 27, 2007 (10:04 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 27, 2007 9:33 am)

Although I drove a Hyundai Tucson for more than 60K miles in total (America and Europe), this car presently has not any noise or squeaks. I thought originally that this car was a proper off road and I took it on tracks that only big trucks could adventure. All of this was done with a roof box and two weighty boxes in the cargo area plus the passenger area. I did all the maintenance myself according to the owner manual. However a feel I should buy a car that it is not a Hyundai in spite that the present car has never caused me any problem. This is a funny world.
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Re: Subaru Reliability [batman47] by ateixeira
Nov 27, 2007 (10:14 am)
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Replying to: batman47 (Nov 27, 2007 10:04 am)

Very good point.
 
Perception lags behind reality.
 
In automotive reliability, I'd say by about 5 years.
 
Hyundai will have to build solid cars for at least 5 years before the public even begins to change their perception of what a Hyundai is. The 2004 Sonata was the most reliable car in CR's survey, ahead of all Lexus models by the way.
 
Conversely, Toyota's new 6 speed transmission has given them problems but people refuse to believe it's true, and still rate Toyota at the top (Consumer Reports says they dropped to #3 behind Honda and Subaru).
 
To be fair, Hyundai earned a bad rep with the Excel subcompact, and in this case people don't have short memories.
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Re: Subaru Reliability [ateixeira] by paisan
Nov 27, 2007 (4:48 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 27, 2007 10:14 am)

To be fair, Hyundai earned a bad rep with the Excel subcompact, and in this case people don't have short memories.
 
What was wrong with the Excel? My friend's dad bought 2 of them for $10k total with tax in college for him and his dad. 4speed manuals, am/fm radios, no A/C But for 100k, the cars ran without mechanical issues.
 
-mike
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Re: Subaru Reliability [paisan] by ateixeira
Nov 28, 2007 (8:11 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Nov 27, 2007 4:48 pm)

Thing about selling a $5000 car in 1986 is that the people that owned them didn't take much care of them. I remember used ones in 1988 selling for $2000, so they depreciated like crazy, too.
 
Back then they used a pretty basic Mitsubishi powertrain, so they may have been OK if you took care of them.
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Re: Subaru Reliability [ateixeira] by paisan
Nov 28, 2007 (5:23 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 28, 2007 8:11 am)

The ones I was speaking of were 1994 model years.
 
-mike

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