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Transmission Problems Saturn Outlook

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Re: TIMING CHAIN PROBLEM for SATURN OUTLOOK under 25000 miles [LASHAWN] by mruffini
Aug 05, 2009 (1:35 pm)
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Replying to: LASHAWN (Aug 05, 2009 1:12 pm)

I think the point that "donotbuysaturn" was getting across is that these problems seem a lot more prevalent on the Saturn's and therefore they are not recommending you purchase one. I have a 2007 Saturn that has had two manufacturing defects; one was that the "spider gear" in the transmission was not properly seated and the other was that we had over 7 leaks in the sunroof, stemming from the fact that they didn't properly install it (we had confirmation of this from the local dealer and GM corporate acknowledge this). I will say that the local dealerships do indeed stand by their cars, but I don't think that Saturn/Corporate does. We have had our 2007 Saturn with < 20k miles on it, in the shop for over 1 month total, in just 1.5 years of ownership. Based on that, and based on the crappy response from GM, I would have to NOT recommend purchasing a Saturn either.
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Re: TIMING CHAIN PROBLEM for SATURN OUTLOOK under 25000 miles [LASHAWN] by donotbuysaturn
Aug 05, 2009 (2:07 pm)
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Replying to: LASHAWN (Aug 05, 2009 1:12 pm)

I think that i should clarify that the loaner was an enterprise rental car that was down the street from the dealership and so I had to pay a $5 a day gov't fee. You might be right that they are fixing it, but I also have a volkswagen jetta with 160,000 miles on it and never had to do anything major like that. I believe that says a lot for a car.
I tried to be patriotic, I feel like I am paying for something at macy's but should have bought it at walmart. I mean it is a car that costs over $30000. Its not chump change. Should it have a problem like that at under 25000 miles???
#46 of 53
Re: TIMING CHAIN PROBLEM for SATURN OUTLOOK under 25000 miles [donotbuysaturn] by LASHAWN
Aug 06, 2009 (5:51 am)
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Replying to: donotbuysaturn (Aug 05, 2009 2:07 pm)

No it shouldn't have that problem, in fact we've never encountered that kinda problem here at our dealership. But hey, it's a car and cars do break down. I have a 06 Sonata and haven't had a problem with it. Also owned a Chevy Malibu and parted ways with it after 58k miles and never had a problem same with Mazda Millenia, Nissan Altima and Maxima. I'm pretty sure you may never run into another problem with your car. Do you know if anyone else has experienced the same issue with their Outlook? Could just be just a fluke that it happened to your car.
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Re: TIMING CHAIN PROBLEM for SATURN OUTLOOK under 25000 miles [LASHAWN] by mruffini
Aug 07, 2009 (5:24 am)
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Replying to: LASHAWN (Aug 06, 2009 5:51 am)

Fluke? Have you read any of the other postings or checked out the ratings in consumer reports? (Below average reliability). Saturn/GM vehicles have a poor track record.
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Re: TIMING CHAIN PROBLEM for SATURN OUTLOOK under 25000 miles [mruffini] by LASHAWN
Aug 07, 2009 (12:04 pm)
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Replying to: mruffini (Aug 07, 2009 5:24 am)

That may be, but are their any relating to a timing chain.
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please help - sending forms to BBB tomorrow by mkos1
Aug 16, 2009 (9:55 am)
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as i was getting ready to send in my paperwork for my bbb auto line claim, i thought i'd check to see the prices of the 09 outlooks to determine if i wanted to request a replacement vehicle or repurchase for my 2008 outlook, somehow i wound up on this website and was shocked that so many people have been experiencing the same shifting problems i've been... although i've also experienced warning lights for service stabilitrac, service traction control and engine service... it's been in for repairs for these three things five times - the whole time i complained about the shifting but was told that it was the "nature of the beast" and have been living with it... as i am sending out my forms tomorrow can someone who has had success with a repurchase or replacement please advise me... should i include a copy of all the blogs?? what should i include besides what they ask me (which is sales agreement,vehicle reistration and work orders) thank you!
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Re: please help - sending forms to BBB tomorrow [mkos1] by myshakti
Aug 16, 2009 (12:13 pm)
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Replying to: mkos1 (Aug 16, 2009 9:55 am)

Hi,
 
I was unsuccessful with my BBB claim. Reasons ...since the vehicle was not out of service for more than so many days and I kept driving it with the problem (what was I supposed to do?), that I didn't take it in enough times (only to hear, "There is nothing wrong with the vehicle, it is just how it runs in order to get the gas mileage GM claims it should get.) to fall under the lemon law and had gone over the number of miles allotted for a buy-back. I think I had 18,000 by the time I went before the BBB. It also didn't help that the BBB "judge" when test driving took us on a tour of the Oakland Hills where he used to live and not on roads where the issue is more prevelant. In the midst of this issue I did have a technician who rode with me and then drove my vehicle and said that there was definetly a problem but then was not allowed to talke to me about it anymore or give me documentation. As far as taking copies of this blog. I did do that only to be told that I could of created this information myself and there was no way to verify the "truth" of everyone if it were a real blog. I am now stuck with a vehicle that has dropped so much in worth that I cannot get a good deal on a trade-in or private party sell. I am not sure if you have blue-booked yours and seen the dramatic drop in worth but it is significant. I thought I was doing a good thing by buying a Saturn/GM vehicle but regret my decision to this day. I hope you have better luck.
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Re: please help - sending forms to BBB tomorrow [mkos1] by mruffini
Aug 17, 2009 (7:28 am)
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Replying to: mkos1 (Aug 16, 2009 9:55 am)

You could always try to call the corporate office of Saturn and open a case file on the problems.
 
Saturn Customer Relations Center (for Saturn owners):
1-800-553-6000
 
Depending on the severity of the problems and how persistent you are, they may do something for you. I have to warn you though, it's a very frustrating process. They will open a case, refer it to a "regional manager" who will call you to discuss it. After you tell them you want a re-purchase, they will call the dealer who services the vehicle to confirm the issues, and then they will escalate it to someone else (they won't give a name, title, or phone number for this person--I suspect that they just put the case on hold for 24 hours and then call you back and tell you no). After 24 hours, they call you back and tell you that they will offer you an extended warrantee on the car, but nothing else. We were persistent and got them to cut a check for 1 month's worth of payments (since that is how many working days the car has been in the shop for the same problem). Our problems escalated after 15k miles and over 1 year, so the local lemon laws didn't apply....best of luck...
#52 of 53
Re: please help - sending forms to BBB tomorrow [mruffini] by myshakti
Aug 17, 2009 (4:03 pm)
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Replying to: mruffini (Aug 17, 2009 7:28 am)

Hi,
 
I am usually persistent but I do not have any more energy to put into this issue. I just hope that others have better luck. My biggest concern is that someday it will shift incorrectly therefore causing an accident and/or harm. I used to have faith in GM/Saturn vehicles.
 
Peace,
 
Tracy
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Update and Thank you by mkos1
Aug 19, 2009 (6:29 am)
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I just wanted to thank all of you for your advice! I did contact Corporate Saturn initially and they did exactly as you said (extended warranty-we said no, then car payment-we said no). So yes, we are now onto the BBB... I struggled with whether or not to ask for repurchase or replacement. Final decision was to choose repurchase because the brakes are now crunching I will let you know what happens.... hopefully I will have the strength to see this through... The car is now at service, working on brakes, A/C and checking to see if they installed that program upgrade for the hesitation problem.....

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