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#959 of 1954 Re: Escalade Vs Sequoia [rtribble]
Jan 21, 2008 (8:40 pm)
"If money were not an object there is not any doubt that the new Lexus 570 would have been our choice. Real nice."
I'm curious if folks would actually choose the LX570 over the Sequoia if money were no object? In reality the LX570 is a somewhat dated albeit nicely executed design. It is far smaller inside than a Sequoia. It does not have an independent rear suspension and therefore does not have a fold flat rear seat. The 2nd row leg is far less than the Sequoia and the LX does not have the sliding 2nd row or reclining 3rd row seats. The 3rd row seats are described as comparable to many of the smaller x-over SUVs in this article http://www.cars.com/go/features/autoshows/vehicle.jsp?vehicletype=production&aut- oshowyear=2007&vehicle=production_lexus_lx570&make=Lexus&model=LX+570
The difference in price was not a significant factor in my buying decision and if I thought the LX was a better design I would have bought it.
Its my guess that Toyota purposefully kept the Platinum Sequoia's interior somewhat "pedestrian" to avoid the complete wipe-out of the newly launched LX570. Who in their right mind would buy the LX if they could get the Sequoia with a premium interior with "babinga wood & a craftsman leather interior"? My opinion is....no one. Even with the "crawl" capabity advantage which will never be used by the average LX owner.
I think this is also why they decided not to launch a Lexus "Sequoia". If they did, it would have eliminated LX sales, just as I think the Sequoia is likely to wipe out the minimal remaining LC sales in the US. The Japanese do not want to see the US demise of the LX or the LC (yet) because these products are made in Japan...employing Japanese. The Sequoia is made for Americans primarily by Americans. Unfortunately that may mean that a high end Sequoia interior is not likely any time soon, if it is at the expense of the LX/LC Japanese Platform in the US. Much of the higher price of the LC and LX is directly due to this vehicle being imported vs being made domestically.
Just my opinion without facts to support the view, however I think my view will be born out if they avoid giving the Sequoia a high end interior. If they do upgrade the interior (and I hope they do), it will result in the LX/LC platform being solely destined for sale ROW and the Sequoia will become a solely American product. In reality they should have made this decision when they launched the Sequoia and they should have also killed the new LX/LC launch in the US. Sales of these vehicles are dismal in the US and not likely to improve with the launch of the lower priced, higher value Sequoia.
#960 of 1954 Re: Escalade Vs Sequoia [hdfatboy]
Jan 21, 2008 (8:48 pm)
The Japanese do not want to see the US demise of the LX or the LC (yet) because these products are made in Japan.
My final choice buying a Sequoia was cemented when I learned they were made in Indiana. I am a "Made in USA" buyer as much as possible. That and the Sequoia was a nicer driving vehicle than the Denali. The engine transmission were smoother than the Mercedes GL. With better 2nd row leg room.
#961 of 1954 Re: Toyota Sequoia Versus 2008 Land Cruiser Vs 2008 Highlander [keg97]
Jan 21, 2008 (9:16 pm)
That's not a valid comparison since the QX is outdated and there's rebates and incentives to be had on them. Same as the GM products.
So Lexus has the LX which is nothing more than a gussied up LandCruiser with a year longer warranty and loaner cars. Whooptie doo!
Try getting the Mercedes for the price of the Sequoia when both are equipped the same and look at your cost to own. Sequoia will come up on top. As I said before, this was meant to compete with the Expedition, Tahoe/Suburban, etc. not the luxury brands. But if you want to compare to the luxury brands then it gives more cache to the Sequoia.
#962 of 1954 LandCruiser vs Sequoia
Jan 21, 2008 (9:18 pm)
When the first generation was in the design/production stage I was told by a factory rep the it would eventually replace the LandCruiser in the US. It hasn't happened yet but I believe it will disappear from the Toyota lineup and remain only in the Lexus brand. As hd said, LC sales are minimal in the US and declining.
#963 of 1954 Re: LandCruiser vs Sequoia [mackabee]
Jan 22, 2008 (4:51 am)
I wouldn't be surprised if they drop the LC in the US within 3 years and drop the LX in 5 years. The LC won't be replaced and the LX will be replaced with a high-end version of the Sequoia.
The nominal advantage the LC/LX has over the new Sequoia in off-road capabilities is of minimal difference to the buyer's of these vehicles as most new buyer's of a new LC/LX are not going to take the $70+K vehicle off-road. I also think that based on the Sequoia's new drivetrain there is very little difference in off-road capability between the LC/LX and the new Sequoia. Even their weights are now comparable. Platinum Sequoia = 6045lbs & LX570 = 5995lbs.
#964 of 1954 Re: Toyota Sequoia Versus 2008 Land Cruiser Vs 2008 Highlander [mackabee]
Jan 22, 2008 (5:46 am)
When you say the QX is "outdated", what exactly do you mean? Granted the overall design of the QX is 4 years old, but does that make it "outdated"? And with the rebates and incentives that you mentioned (and dealer discounting) the QX and Platimum are reasonably comparable pricewise. I would certainly think that most potential Platinum buyers would be looking at the QX as an alternative and vice-versa. Each one has plusses and minuses when you compare them.
#965 of 1954 Re: Sequoia Limited [scaff3900]
Jan 22, 2008 (5:49 am)
Scaff, as of about 2 weeks ago the Toyota dealer in Flemington NJ has a Limited with 20" wheels on the lot.
#966 of 1954 God, please help me love the Sequoia!!!
Jan 22, 2008 (9:15 am)
I'm in a such a dilemma. I need to buy the wife a new car and she wants a full size SUV. I know the Sequoia is a great vehicle from a powertrain/driventrain, interior room/flexibility, reliability and depreciation (or lack thereof), but I simply CANNOT get over the lack of a luxury feel in the Platinum. If we're going to buy this vehicle, its going to be a Platinum with all the bells and whistles. We're the type of family that buys a car and keeps it for 8-10 years. As such, I don't want to look back and say, "man, I wish I had got the platinum so I could have the memory seats or the power tilt/telescope wheel etc.". The issue is that a fully loaded Platinum, even with superb negotiation is a $56K vehicle at best.
My wife and I like the red rock interior, but just can't get over the fact that the car (dash especially) does not feel luxurious. Additionally, the mish mash of painted silver pieces all over make the interior feel like an after thought. Even the door handles look sooo cheap (their size almost tends to exaggerate the cheapness)...couldn't they have used chrome door handle pulls? So, each time we ask ourselves, is this an interior befitting of a $56K vehicle?? We flat run into a wall. I have repeatedly asked the wife "do you like the car? You know its the top choice in terms of powertrain, interior flexibilit etc. " and she replies "yes, I know, but for $56K+ it just doesn't feel like a luxurious vehicle. If we're paying that much money, I wish it felt a little more luxurious. I even like the interior of the Armada better".
I'm so tired of the mental dilemma because I know that the vehicle is superb from every other angle. At this juncture, I've simply decided to put the car buying thing off b/c I can't stand the mental anguish. In the meantime, I'm driving a 14 year old Honda Accord with almost 200K miles because I had to give my wife my car (G35) as we now have a 14 month old and her safety is paramount to me. So, I continue to suffer in silence.
The argument that the vehicle price has a $24K spread between a base SR5 and a loaded platinum does not justify why the interior of the Platinum is the way it currently is. Could I love this car the way it is at $40K? Probably. Can I love it at $55K+, I'm having a really really hard time? Heck, even if they just get rid of all the silver painted surfaces and made them a flat black or textured black, that would do wonders. Some have said that the grey interior works better with the current layout....I personally can't stand the grey interior.
Herein lies the dilemma!!
Come on Toyota, how much more would it cost to outfit your newest top of the line model that would befit a vehicle with a "Platinum" designation!!!
#967 of 1954 Re: God, please help me love the Sequoia!!! [vernschillinge]
Jan 22, 2008 (9:34 am)
I love the Sequoia too. I have a Tundra and the drivetrain is awesome. But if you're spending mid 50's on an suv then you need to look around. The interior of the Sequoia kept me from buying it. We bought for the same reasons. Wife's car, roomy, safety, smooth ride and great features. Bought a QX because it is all the Sequoia is with great luxury to boot. QX interior is new for 08. Much improved. Everything is standard except dvd. Great value. Interior of Toyota is fine but not for 50k. Interior of QX is comparable to benz and lexus for much less. Warranty is better too. Free XM for 3years, better nav system. Wife loves it. The Toyota is a great vehicle in sr5 or stripped limited trim but interior has no business in the luxury sector.
#968 of 1954 Re: Escalade Vs Sequoia [keg97]
Jan 22, 2008 (10:12 am)
The Toyota has a very modern dual overhead cam aluminium engine. The Escalade has a pushrod engine. Most japanese and european vehicles stopped pushrod engines atleast 10 years ago mainly because of their poor efficiency, noise
and reliability issues.