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First Drive: 2008 Toyota Sequoia 4WD - Arguably the most useful, most refined and easiest-to-drive full-size SUV ever built, the 2008 Toyota Sequoia will keep a large family from being forced to adapt to a fleet of Priuses. (more)

Full Test: 2008 Toyota Sequoia Limited 4x4 - You would expect a sport-utility that measures 17 feet long, stands 6 feet tall, carries eight passengers and is hooked up to a 5.7-liter V8, four-wheel drive and 20-inch wheels to be called Sequoia. Talk about full-size! Talk about lumbering! (more)


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Re: Whats with the gas lunatics? [supadad] by surfwagon56
Jan 18, 2008 (11:25 am)
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Replying to: supadad (Nov 19, 2007 12:41 pm)

Being similar to your family (but down 1 dog) We bought an '07 Honda Odyssey EX-L RES. Compared to an ExpyTahoMada, more space, more comfortable ride, sharper handling, 19 around town 26 on the freeway. Actually averaged 25.5 mph on the way from Utah back to So Cal earlier this month. Minivan stigma? I used to care, but I guess I've outgrown it. My wife sure loves it though.
 
Sequoia looks to be competitive compared to the establishment, but an interesting move from an automotive company that uses superior mileage claims in a lot of their ads.
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Reviewing the review, among other things by canddmeyer
Jan 18, 2008 (1:50 pm)
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This latest review, while not saying a whole lot, will help steer a few buyers away from the competition. After the skewed Expedition vs. Tahoe towing comparison, hopefully Edmunds won't do another towing test where they add several thousand pounds of ballast to the Sequoia so it can be compared unfavorably to an Expedition-EL or Suburban.
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does this full size suv market needs another one? by fshi
Jan 18, 2008 (2:14 pm)
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frankly, from what i see/read, this one is just playing catch-up with tahoe/yukon, let along tahoe/yukon hybrids. hahoe hybrid is 40-50% (21 vs 13 local, 22 vs. 18 highway) more fuel efficient than this baby and cost LESS. unless people is a toyota lover, i do not see any reason not to buy a tahoe hybrid or even a tahoe, if you need a full size suv.
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The Tone of this Review Suprises me by mbukukanyau
Jan 19, 2008 (2:24 am)
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Surely, if this was an Expendation or Suburban or GMC Yukon XL, there would be a skeptic tone from the editor.
I have no doubt this is a good SUV, but given the trouble Toyota is having with the Tundra and the way I have seen the Tundra bed shake on the 405 freeway (go over to you tube) I doubt Toyota has caught up to the Expendation and Tahoes of this world just yet. The Toyota Frame is cleary inferior to GM, Chrysler and Ford.
 
As for 0-60, something is not right... a lighter more powerful Super Charged Range Rover is slower than this beast?
What about the New GM Hybrids? This is better than those too? Better than a Fully Loaded 403 HP 400 Lb's of TQ GM smooth 6 speed, Platinum Escalade ESV with all its soft leather, bells and whistles and tomb like quiet cabin??
 
Clearly this editor knows his audience. Tell them what they want to hear
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Re: The Tone of this Review Suprises me [mbukukanyau] by hdfatboy
Jan 19, 2008 (7:22 am)
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Replying to: mbukukanyau (Jan 19, 2008 2:24 am)

"The Toyota Frame is cleary inferior to GM, Chrysler and Ford."
 
There's some truth to your comments, however there are significant differences between the new Sequoia and the Tundra. Where the Tundra has a C-channel frame after the B-pillar, the Sequoia has a fully boxed frame from front to rear. Where the Tundra has a solid axle rear, the Sequoia has an independent rear suspension.
 
"What about the New GM Hybrids? This is better than those too? Better than a Fully Loaded 403 HP 400 Lb's of TQ GM smooth 6 speed, Platinum Escalade ESV with all its soft leather, bells and whistles and tomb like quiet cabin??"
 
I think the GM Tahoe Hybrids are a joke. You'll gain 25% better fuel efficiency and give up 2500lbs in towing capacity and a lower load rating. What's the point? If you wanted better fuel economy and didn't need a significant tow rating, you could have simply gotten a minivan or a smaller x-over SUV. I can't wait to hear how these vehicles perform after launching a boat into a salt water environment with all those batteries in the floor pan.
 
I think the Escalade and Denali are destined to lose signifiicant sales to the Sequoia just based on the lack of a fold flat 3rd row seat in the GM products.
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Re: The Tone of this Review Suprises me [mbukukanyau] by rtribble
Jan 19, 2008 (7:31 am)
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Replying to: mbukukanyau (Jan 19, 2008 2:24 am)

The Sequoia has a fully boxed frame while the Tundra does not. Comparing the Sequoia to the Tundra is not really apples and apples.
You need to test drive the Sequoia and then compare it against the competition. I believe after you've driven one your opinion will change.
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Re: The Tone of this Review Suprises me [hdfatboy] by fshi
Jan 19, 2008 (9:39 pm)
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Replying to: hdfatboy (Jan 19, 2008 7:22 am)

whether tahoe is a joke or not is not a fact but your opinion. it is "green car of the year", made the finalist of the truck of the year, cx-9 won. let us look at some numbers
 
Sequoia Tahoe Tahoe hybrid, similarly configured (4x4)
max tow: 8800, 7500, 6000
pay load: 1235, 1380, 1835
EPA : 13/18, 20/20, 14/20
$ : 55k, 52k, 36k
 
I can live with 6000lb tow, capable for the a reasonable size trailer or boat. I drive it to work everyday, and I need good fuel economy, 20 vs 13 is like more than 50% more efficient for local. 20 vs 18 is like 10% better on highway, I will get my tax credit, a greener image. still a joke to you? minivan and crossover does not have enough towing capacity for me, if you see something that can tow 6000lb, seat 8, yield 20mpg local (like a camry 4cylinder), please please let me know.
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Re: The Tone of this Review Suprises me [fshi] by hdfatboy
Jan 19, 2008 (11:27 pm)
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Replying to: fshi (Jan 19, 2008 9:39 pm)

"I can live with 6000lb tow, capable for the a reasonable size trailer or boat. I drive it to work everyday, and I need good fuel economy, 20 vs 13 is like more than 50% more efficient for local. 20 vs 18 is like 10% better on highway, I will get my tax credit, a greener image. still a joke to you? minivan and crossover does not have enough towing capacity for me, if you see something that can tow 6000lb, seat 8, yield 20mpg local (like a camry 4cylinder), please please let me know. "
 
Sounds like you're convinced on the Tahoe Hybrid and a "green image" is important to you. I think if a green image is important in your neighborhood, the Prius might serve that purpose better. Frankly I find buying a vehicle for image somewhat superficial if its one of the top factors in selecting a vehicle to buy..., but hey, whatever floats your boat.
 
Maybe you should drop $50+K on the Yukon Hybrid and tell us how you like replacing all those batteries in 50,000miles after the warranty expires. My guess is that unless you drive like a 70 yr old "blue hair" with an egg between your driving shoe and throttle pedal, you'll never see any where near 20mpg out of a 300hp gas engine...even with the battery supplement. But if it makes you feel more green...I say give it a try and tell us how you like it.
 
BTW, for that same price of around $52K you could get an AWD MB GL320CDI that seats 7 has a tow capacity of 7500lbs and gets 20 city and 25 hwy. Take a guess which one is going to have a higher resale value. The one running on Duracells that need replacement or the one with a 100 yr old proven technology. Oh I forgot...it probably won't have the right image in the eyes of the neighborhood Greenpeace Al Qaida. Just not quite the right image without the 6 ft long "H Y B R I D" sticker down the side of the vehicle like the Tahoe. Gotta have the right image....right?
 
FYI...an '08 SR5 4wd Sequoia with the 5.7 engine has a tow capacity of 9600lbs, not 8800lbs.
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Re: The Tone of this Review Suprises me [hdfatboy] by keg97
Jan 20, 2008 (6:08 am)
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Replying to: hdfatboy (Jan 19, 2008 11:27 pm)

Please tell me that those nasty "Hybrid" decals on the doors are not really on the production model? I assumed that they were just on the press versions to help the marketers.
 
Apparently, the Pontiac folks got their hands on the Tahoe/Yukon hybrids and added their "cheesy cladding" touch to it....

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