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#56 of 105 Re: rear brake wear [homerkc] by pholeta Jul 16, 2008 (4:08 am)
Replying to: homerkc (Jul 12, 2008 3:51 pm) Unfortunately the new Jetta's brakes are not any better than the old ones. Read my story below. I am going through this situation right now and glad I came across this forum. The dealership said nothing about defective calibers, but basically told me not to use the emergency brake and to pay for the repair.   I have a 2008 Jetta that I purchased in September of 2007. I had a defective rear passenger rim and had to have the dealership replace it. At the time the rim was replaced I was notified at 16,500 miles that my rear brakes were almost out and if I waited another 2 weeks or so I would have to replace brakes and rotors. It wasn't two weaks before I was cringing every time I stopped my car. I finally broke down and took my car to Good Year for a 2nd option. Let's say I have been very impressed. Good refused to repair the brakes until they spoke with the dealership service manager. Apparently they have received a lot of work from the 2007/2008 Jetta's and are just as floored as me that they will not replace them under warranty. If I have to pay this out of pocket I will, but I will never buy another VW. I'm a first time VW buyer and I am happy with the brand, but the warranty sucks. Also, I had a blow out on the interstate within about 17500 miles and the tires didn't have road hazard warranty. Never experience this issue as well. I must say that there are some benefits to buying American made as well as Toyota. Replies to this message: trepine (Jul 16, 2008 8:22 am) packer3 (Jul 16, 2008 6:05 pm)
#57 of 105 Re: rear brake wear [pholeta] by trepine Jul 16, 2008 (8:22 am)
Replying to: pholeta (Jul 16, 2008 4:08 am) Pholeta, thank you for your reply to anyone who reads this forum and has had or heard of similar problems...please please please call the VW national complaint line at 1-800-822-8987 and for all of our sakes register a formal complaint. oh and tell them that I sent you--Tom Repine from El Paso, TX and have them addend my formal complaint with your example (I'm serious--tell them that) Again, VW flat out denied this problem existed to me and refused manufacturer defect issues, warranty issues, etc.... If you have a dealer that responded favorably to this issue then please show them this forum and ask them to chime in with their company. thanks Tom
#58 of 105 Re: rear brake wear [pholeta] by packer3 Jul 16, 2008 (6:05 pm)
Replying to: pholeta (Jul 16, 2008 4:08 am) Brakes with certain car mfg's are funny, I replaced front brakes on a few Toyota's with less than 20M miles on them however the cars were over three years old. As far as any tire warranty goes, a tire blow out without hitting or running something over is a tire defect and is covered automatically, however based on the amount of miles that are on the tire you will pay some sort of tire wear charge.
#59 of 105 06 Jetta by 20jetta06 Aug 02, 2008 (8:40 pm)
I'm shocked to see that I'm not the only one who is having problems with my rear brakes. I just hit 29,000 miles and my rear brakes are shot. The VW dealership where I bought my car, told me it was going to cost me between $300-$500 to fix this and the back cost more... are they serious? Brakes pads are cheap if you buy them at the store, they must be talking crazy talk. Also, I've never heard of rear brakes going out first and at 29,000 miles. Absurd! Also, I was told that since I lease, if I go to a place other than a VW dealer, my lease is void? Is this true? I ask because my cousin, fixed his own and said he would do mine as well if I bought the parts? I'm not paying $500, period. Love my car, but maintenence is outrageous on it. Replies to this message: sdgirl13 (Aug 16, 2008 11:29 am)
#60 of 105 by ndmike88 Aug 03, 2008 (5:40 am)
I thought I read somewhere that VW has fixed the problem on the rear brakes. I think it said it was fixed starting with the 07 Jettas. Not sure about getting it repaired at a VW dealer because it's a lease. I would think as long as you produced a receipt showing the brakes were replaced that would be enough. Maybe others will chime in. Good luck.
#61 of 105 99-03 Front/Rear Brakes by alcu77 Aug 09, 2008 (5:22 pm)
To all,   I am an Engineer who used to work for the OEM of Jetta Brakes (through 03 model). There are rigorous Dyno and Wear tests that are performed on pads, and typical minimum mileage is usually 50K miles. There is no way brakes should wear before then. When I was working for this manufacturer, we never had any complaints or recalls from VW, and all customers were very satisfied (Toyota, Honda, VW, Chrysler). I can honestly say that 99-03 VW brakes themselves are designed, manufactured very well, and are extremely reliable. Although, it is correct that poorly designed calipers have caused increased brake wear on certain vehicles. The dealer will not admit this b/c they would have to replace calipers + brakes, and since caliper wear is impossible ... they blame defectiveness on brakes + owner. When I purchased my 03 Jetta TDI back in 2004, VW had worst reputation, and was voted worst by consumer reports for dealare customer satisfaction, so I am not surprised by everyone's complaints. FYI, if a dealer tells you it's time to replace your breaks, ask them to tell you how much wear in (mm) the pads have. then ask to see the pads. If they cant pull them off, then ask them to bring you to the vehicle, and measure the brakes in front of you. Why? because there are VW wear specs for brakes. I purchased a VW Jetta, Golf, GTI service manual for 99-03 models (published by Bentley Publishers) which contains documented service instructions for areas of the vehicle (Engine, suspension, brakes, HVAC, electrical, transmission, body, interior, steering, clutch, exhaust, trim, etc) this manual has pictures, diagrams, step-by-step instruction, specs, wiring diagrams, etc) it has everything the owner needs to troubleshoot, identify, and fix the issue. And if you can't fix the issue yourself, at the very least it prevents you from being ripped off by the dealer of other mechanic. Ebay - $80. Anyways, the wear limits for 99-03 Jetta, Golf, GTI is: 1.8/2.8L (FN3 caliper) Front: (both pads) - 7.0 mm thickness (including backing plate). Rear: (both pads) - 7.5 mm thickness (including backing plate). for 1.9/2.0L (FSIII caliper) - Front: (both pads) - 7.0 mm thickness (including backing plate). Rear: (both pads) - 7.5 mm thickness (including backing plate). for all of the above pads, the new pad thickness is 14mm for fronts, and 9mm for Rears. this means that for 99-03 models the front brakes work harder, hence the reason for thicker friction material, and therefore will wear out faster than the rears. Also, you should not have to change the front brakes until the electonic wear sensor indicates change needed via your info panel next to the speedometer. The rears do not have wear sensors. My Jetta has 92K miles, and I have not changed either the front or rears. Th reason I accessed this forum was because I am experiencing squeeling, but the brakes do not look that worn, and the rotors are not scored. I may be getting down close to the friction underlayer (used to absorb noise and vibration) becuase I can see more brkae dust than usual at the rear. I hope this helps anyone who is in need. Overall, my Jetta has performed well, but has had several issues. At 80K miles the bearings seized in my alternator and I lost power steering and a pulley belt. Cost me $350 for new alternator and labor (not at the dealer) . Now I am experiencing A/C issues where I cannot get cold air when I turn to full blast, or I turn on my recirc button. In closing, I suggest never going to the delaer after warranty expires, and try to find a reputable mechanic (by a friends referal only). For TDI owners, and VW owners in general, Try these websites also:   www.TDIClub.com www.TDIparts.com www.illicitvw.com
#62 of 105 to alcu77 by trepine Aug 12, 2008 (1:35 pm)
Thank you very much for your post. very helpful I'm curious if you have any specific comments for my case with no brakes at 4200 miles, and how you, as a brake engineer, might have approached things with my dealer. their assertion to me was basically so preposterous that I didn't even know how to argue it...certainly didn't do it right b/c I ended up having to go off warranty and pay out of pocket outside of VW to get my brakes fixed and get reasonable customer service. very interested in your reply: 1) is it possible to have no brakes/damaged rotors on both rear brakes on a 2008 VW Jetta in 4200 miles? 2) how would you explain this if it is possible--driver error? thanks   oh, and btw, I'm gonna take your post #61 and shove it up my dealer's ass, or wallpaper his car with it and snot/superglue , or make it into a banner behind an airplane and fly circles around his dealership all day and then parachute out of the plane using a big blown up version of it as my parachute, and then stuff the parachute version...up his ass too. thanks Tom
#63 of 105 Re: 06 Jetta [20jetta06] by sdgirl13 Aug 16, 2008 (11:29 am)
Replying to: 20jetta06 (Aug 02, 2008 8:40 pm) I have a 2006 Passat and am experiencing the same thing...and am shocked that they brakes and the rotors go so quickly. Does anyone know if the Passat has the same brake system as the Jetta? There are a lot of posts on here and I haven't read them all yet (just found the site) but is there a defect on the car? Is there a reason to press the dealer to fix it for free?? Help!
#64 of 105 2007 vw wolfsburg jetta by jam2989 Aug 18, 2008 (4:57 pm)
hi everyone, its really funny because i just stumbled on this forum and found my exact problem that all of us have in common, i leased my 2007 vw wolfsburg edition jetta in may 2007 and i now have almost 22,000 miles on the car. my rear brakes started sounding like metal rubbing together and i realized that there was a problem. my step dad is a mechanic and he looked at the car and said that the rear brakes are shot. i had a ford explorer before this car and only needed the brakes changed once in the ten year period that my family had the car. my step dad says that a car with only 22,000 miles should not need the brakes changed so soon, especially the rear ones. and to top it off the vw dealers have special bolts on the brake parts so you can only get the done at the dealer. this is ridiculous. Replies to this message: rshaker90 (Aug 19, 2008 7:38 am)
#65 of 105 Re: 2007 vw wolfsburg jetta [jam2989] by rshaker90 Aug 19, 2008 (7:38 am)
Replying to: jam2989 (Aug 18, 2008 4:57 pm) It seems on all newer VWs the rears will wear much faster than the fronts will mainly because of how the braking power is distrubted. My solution is to either deal with it or stay away from the VWs. It's just how VW set up their brake system and it's not a defect the dealer will even take care of. I purchased the tool for the rear brakes for $25 so I'll just do it myself because if you take it to the dealer, they will agrue with you till you agree to get new pads and new rotors everytime. I had my old rotors checked and they still were far within spec after 35,000+ miles.

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