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Re: the dealer did it! [necostanzo] by espo35
Nov 02, 2009 (9:30 am)
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Replying to: necostanzo (Oct 31, 2009 9:55 pm)

and what amount of defects is Hyundai experiencing with their paint and the Alabama plant.
 
Slim and none...and Slim just left town.
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Re: 2009 Sonate door repainted [necostanzo] by 8babies1dog
Nov 02, 2009 (1:43 pm)
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Replying to: necostanzo (Oct 30, 2009 10:10 pm)

Why would it be so far fetched to think it could not have happened at the assembly
plant. I have not visited the Sonata car maker in Alabama but have come across
quite a bit of info during research. It sounds like it is a very modern high tech place.
If this is such they probably utilize the same kind of equipment as most of the
others use. There are hundreds of car bodies painted every work day, the trunk lid,
the hood and the doors are not on the body when painted, this painting is done
by robotic computer controlled machines. We all know that machines and computers are dfifinetly not foolproof, so things will happen. That is why these companies also have so many quality inspectors to catch paint blemishes on the
final product. When it is found I dont think that car is thrown away, it is fixed, and
if it is a door it could very well be fixed in place like a body shop maybe better, but
maybe not perfect "over spray?" or the like. Since it was only caught by very
close observation by a critical eye it is not hard for me to believe it couldn't have
happened at the factory. Would they keep records on exactly what car it was done
on, your guess is as good as mine. It may not have been any damage on the door
just repaint, again who knows. This is just a thought, no one has to agree!
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Re: 2009 Sonate door repainted [8babies1dog] by espo35
Nov 02, 2009 (2:06 pm)
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Replying to: 8babies1dog (Nov 02, 2009 1:43 pm)

While anything is possible, I just can't see it happening. Hyundai would NEVER ship a car that is sub-standard. Their whole future is based on quality. They take the JD Power Survey in initial quality as gospel. Anyone who made the decision to ship a sub-standard car would be fired immediately.
No B.S.
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Re: 2009 Sonate door repainted [espo35] by 8babies1dog
Nov 02, 2009 (4:05 pm)
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Replying to: espo35 (Nov 02, 2009 2:06 pm)

I agree with your point of view and I would hope no carmaker would intentionally
ship a vehicle out that don't meet their standards, more importantly our standards.
In a perfect world that could happen, unfortunatly no one alive is perfect and
most every man made item is not perfect including robots. As you said anything
is possible. Lets say the painted door was actually done by the high tech paint
machine and that is how it came out and the inspector for that area was thinking
about his girlfriend or something, he or she could have missed it since it was hard to find according to the owner. How would anyone know? If a paint mill gauge don't
detect it that would be kind of hard to do without sanding the entire door down.
This is my opinion only.
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Re: 2009 Sonate door repainted [8babies1dog] by wayne21
Nov 02, 2009 (4:28 pm)
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Replying to: 8babies1dog (Nov 02, 2009 1:43 pm)

My wife and I took a trip to Montgomery Al and while there we toured the hyundai plant. Top notch indeed! But I believe the doors and hood and trunk lid ARE on the car when it is dipped and painted.
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Re: 2009 Sonate door repainted [wayne21] by wayne52
Nov 02, 2009 (4:42 pm)
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Replying to: wayne21 (Nov 02, 2009 4:28 pm)

I recently toured the hyundai plant in montgomery. They showed a video and it had the doors/hood/trunk on the car when they painted it. So I think paint problems occured in transit or at the dealership.
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Re: 2009 Sonate door repainted [wayne52] by 8babies1dog
Nov 02, 2009 (8:40 pm)
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Replying to: wayne52 (Nov 02, 2009 4:42 pm)

Point well taken every car maker has their own system, if you dig a little deeper
you may find that even Hyundai don't permanitly attach the doors, hood, or trunk
lid for paint process, they are taken off at the start of the final assembly line and
brought to an area to put the finishing touches such as on the doors, power window
parts, remote trunk and gas door, glass etc. and the liner. For the hood and trunk lid the insulation is put in and the little hydraulic cylinders are attached the locking
assembly is put in. The main reason these things are taken off is to allow the
robot equipment to install interiors like all the dash, seats, actually everything
including complete drive train. What I am getting at is with all this taking off and
putting on, moving and handling can the final paint job on it be scratched or damaged some way, and will the same door or hood go back on the same car it
came off of, there are many cars painted the same color on the line at 1 time. On
the tour it didn't show that part step by step I presume, maybe they don't want that
part to be seen. All this is not exclusive to Hyundai check the GM assembly line
some of their older plants still paint cars by hand and put doors and things on after
final assembly. You have probably heard of new cars being bought with factory
defects are even with parts missing, if you by enough of them you have a very
good chance of getting one also, feel very lucky if you don't have one already! Do you have a new one?
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Re: 2009 Sonate door repainted [8babies1dog] by wayne52
Nov 02, 2009 (9:27 pm)
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Replying to: 8babies1dog (Nov 02, 2009 8:40 pm)

Your description of how things work at the factory are correct. They do not take you through the paint shop, but do show the video. They have quite a few quality check points that they take very seriously though, and I don't think the factory would let things slide by. I've been to quite a few factories and was more impressed by the hyundai plant than any other - bar none.
I have never owned a hyundai. I took the tour because I was thinking of buying a hyundai genesis and was interested in learning how they do things in their factories. If I were in the market for a car in the sonata class for myself, I would give it very serious consideration.
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Re: 2009 Sonate door repainted [wayne52] by 8babies1dog
Nov 03, 2009 (5:31 am)
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Replying to: wayne52 (Nov 02, 2009 9:27 pm)

Thanks for the reply, I think considering a new Hyundai would be a good move,after
a bunch of research for a few months on most of the competitors in that class the
one that stood out the most is the one we wound up with. 2009 se v6 and so for
after 11,000k miles am very happy we did. IMO this thing is awesome all the way around, seems like the factory in Alabama really got their _ _ _ _ togather, and
proud of it. I think this is good for the whole Auto industry in general Hyundai will
push them to build better cars with more standard equipment and up the warranty
and keep the prices a little under control. If people keep buying the over priced cars
that other car makers put out just for the name, that company may not step up
what they offer. Just as an example one of the top competitors at the time of our
purchase had the comparable trim line but had much less standard stuff had to drop
to a 4 cylinder version to compare. Sonata had $3000. rebate and a $2000. dealer
incentive the other had no rebate or dealer incentive. With the warranty difference
it was not even close, the Sonata was rated better by almost all the top rating
people and $3000.+ less expensive. Will be more than happy to give you the info
on where I found this info. Happy motoring!
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Re: 2009 Sonate door repainted [wayne52] by 8babies1dog
Nov 03, 2009 (5:34 am)
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Replying to: wayne52 (Nov 02, 2009 9:27 pm)

Quick note, sorry to change the topic, back to the painted door problem!

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