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#661 of 1006 Re: 09 Summer smells [loradora] by jm1996 Oct 29, 2008 (6:51 pm)
Replying to: loradora (Oct 28, 2008 1:45 pm) I have my car scheduled to go in in two weeks. I'm afraid it will be a cold cloudy day when the car doesn't stink.   Can you reply with the name of your dealer? I want to have that in hand in case it becomes an issue.   Thanks for the update! Replies to this message: loradora (Nov 03, 2008 3:16 am)
#662 of 1006 Re: 09 Summer smells [loradora] by cjgt Oct 30, 2008 (10:12 am)
Replying to: loradora (Oct 28, 2008 1:45 pm) I haven't seen many cars that have been problem free. Most cars can have their share of problems. Don't beat yourself up because you got "this" car instead of "that" car. You could've faced worse problems with others. These are technical service bulletins from the others you mentioned, in other words potential problems.   http://www.fordfusionclub.com/index.php?board=1019.0 http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=180105   It really comes down on how well the dealer and the company handles the problems. I still think the Sonata is one of the better cars in the class.
#663 of 1006 Oil change by wrs4 Oct 31, 2008 (4:34 pm)
Just changed oil & filter with Penzoil full syn. 10W 30. Book says 4.54 Qts. It took 5Qts. Has any one changed theres and found the same. It has 3900 miles on it. Replies to this message: fushigi (Nov 04, 2008 4:08 am)
#664 of 1006 Leather seats by ponggod Nov 01, 2008 (5:14 pm)
I recently purchased my 2009 Sonata with the only upgrade requirement being that I get leather seats. So the dealership arranged to do this as an aftermarket add-on for about $1000 more. I know this is a common practice as I had also done this with my Chrysler Pacifica purchase a couple years ago.   After driving it for a month, I noticed that a piece of the material in back of the driver's seat had come unglued and was hanging down on the floor. Upon closer examination I discovered, to my dismay, that this is not REAL leather, but a pseudo-leather or "pleather" type of material.   It's not that I'm dissatisfied with the look or feel of the material, but rather I don't like feeling like I've been taken advantage of. Had the salesperson explained that REAL leather would cost X dollars, but that I could get a pseudo-leather for less and that most people find it to be of similar quality or whatever, then it's quite likely that I would have accepted the cheaper substitute and been satisfied with it. But, in my opinion, words have meanings and "leather" means "real leather"! Am I the only one who still thinks this way?   So, before rushing down to the dealership to raise hell about this, I decided to first consult a neighbor of mine who is a car salesman. After explaining the situation to him, he basically told me that ALL the car dealerships do this and even the vast majority of "leather" seating packages coming from the manufacturer are also NOT real leather. (He went on to explain the reason for this change was due to PETA's relentless protesting on the matter, which is interesting trivia, but not helpful in assuaging my concerns.)   I also checked with a local auto trim dealer to get a sense for the price difference between REAL leather and the pseudo-leather substitutes. He explained to me that he could order REAL leather seat covers pre-fit for Sonata and installed for $1295. He then explained that while the substitute materials are significantly cheaper, the final cost wouldn't be very much less since he would have to do the cutting and fitting manually which would substantially raise the cost of labor. So based on the figures he quoted me, it seems that the price I paid for "leather" was pretty much in the ballpark for what one could expect to get REAL leather seats.   So, what are the experiences of others on this matter? Is it indeed the norm for people to get fake leather seats when it's being advertised as just "leather"? Was it unreasonable for me to expect I was getting REAL leather even though there was never any mention of pseudo-leather, "pleather", or leather-like material? Please enlighten me!   - Robert - Replies to this message: lmaxick (Nov 01, 2008 6:10 pm) ponggod (Nov 01, 2008 9:50 pm) aalsherri (Nov 01, 2008 6:30 pm) ponggod (Nov 01, 2008 9:54 pm) aalsherri (Nov 02, 2008 9:05 am)
#665 of 1006 Re: Leather seats [ponggod] by lmaxick Nov 01, 2008 (6:10 pm)
Replying to: ponggod (Nov 01, 2008 5:14 pm) Let me give you a little education, the automobile and the furniture industry has always been when leather is used to used genuine leather only on the surfaces that touch your body, the rest is high grade vinyl. It is the standard of both industries, I know because I spent 45 years in the furniture Mfg business and have always know that this is the wy it's done. Sorry to dissoluion you. Replies to this message: ponggod (Nov 01, 2008 9:50 pm)
#666 of 1006 Re: Leather seats [ponggod] by aalsherri Nov 01, 2008 (6:30 pm)
Replying to: ponggod (Nov 01, 2008 5:14 pm) Leatherette is not real leather and should not be sold under the name of leather. This is really a ripoff. Leathererette does not breath like real leather. It is durable but not as durable as the real quality leather.Please note that most manufacturers use real leather on all seating areas and leatherette or vinyl on the back areas or back seats. This is an acceptable ripoff but tolerated by many buyers. Using all leatherette when you ask for leather is not an acceptable practice. In my opinion paying a $1000 charge for even real but thin cheap leather is too much. Quality fabric is better choice unless you are sure you are getting the real thick but soft leather. Thin cheap leather starts to crack within 3 years. Replies to this message: ponggod (Nov 01, 2008 9:54 pm) aalsherri (Nov 02, 2008 9:05 am)
#667 of 1006 Re: Leather seats [lmaxick] by ponggod Nov 01, 2008 (9:50 pm)
Replying to: lmaxick (Nov 01, 2008 6:10 pm) OK, so what you're saying is that it is quite possible, even likely, that I am actually sitting on genuine leather even though it looks nothing like leather when you examine it from the backside or the cut edges? If this is so, I will certainly feel much better about it, but how can one really tell?
#668 of 1006 Re: Leather seats [aalsherri] by ponggod Nov 01, 2008 (9:54 pm)
Replying to: aalsherri (Nov 01, 2008 6:30 pm) If this is the case, where the part I'm sitting on is real leather, but the seat backs are not, I'm perfectly fine with that.   I guess the lesson learned here is that next time I will just buy the car in the cheapest possible configuration the dealer has to offer and then shop around the auto trim places myself to upgrade the seats afterwards. That way I will have a much better idea of what I'm getting and cut out the middleman in the process. Replies to this message: aalsherri (Nov 02, 2008 9:05 am)
#669 of 1006 Re: Leather seats [ponggod] by aalsherri Nov 02, 2008 (9:05 am)
Replying to: ponggod (Nov 01, 2008 9:54 pm) Try to check it. Real leather has no fabric liner. Also, real leather has a distinguished smell and texture. If you feel he used a $200 leatherette seat covers and you paid a much higher price for leather seats, take him to small claim court (Justice Court). You will win the case within minutes without a lawer. I saw many cases at the court for claims as small as $200. First try to work it with the dealer by asking for a big discount because the seats are all made of leatherette . If he refused to budge for any reason, take him to court. The case here is black and white. If only the back is made of leatherette, then you may not have a solid case. I feel many buyers here are paying too much for unnecessary expensive options. Most will trade in their cars within 3-4 years. I saw many 8 years old cars with near perfect condition cloth seats.
#670 of 1006 Re: 09 Summer smells [jm1996] by loradora Nov 03, 2008 (3:16 am)
Replying to: jm1996 (Oct 29, 2008 6:51 pm) Even on a cloudy day, roll down the window fully and have them smell it. Mine stunk and it was colder/cloudy...not as bad mind you, but it still stunk.   My dealer's name is Wright Hyundai in Wexford, PA. They ordered all new sil trim for the doors, 3 came in and 1 is on backorder. I'm wondering, have they found out there is a problem? I forgot to ask that. So, I'm in the rental car from the dealership until the last one comes in. They have smelled them and they say they smell just fine. Wow....not sure what's going on with that. But, I will be so glad to get in a car that doesn't stink!!!!!   There is also a service bulletin out on our year/model for some armrest cover...so, make sure that gets looked at as well. The service department told me that as it came up on their computer.

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