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#501 of 1014 Re: Brochure Still not available [samnoe] by tenpin288 Jul 17, 2008 (9:30 am)
Replying to: samnoe (Jul 16, 2008 1:09 pm) I just got this reply from Hyundai corporate about the 09 brochure...   Thank you for contacting Hyundai Motor America.   We would like to advise that we have put you our waiting list, so once the 2009 Hyundai Sonata brochures become available you will receive one by mail.
#502 of 1014 Lots of 2009 Sonatas running about by moocow1 Jul 18, 2008 (1:56 pm)
I've been seeing far more 2009 sonatas in my area now. Just saw 2 within 20 minutes recently. Guess it's starting to get popular It's fun how you can tell from the different XM antenna and also the recent cali plates.
#503 of 1014 Re: Navi problems [bmwconvt] by bargugl Jul 19, 2008 (11:19 am)
Replying to: bmwconvt (Jul 11, 2008 6:50 pm) 2006.5 Optima-on acutally uses a heavily modified version of the same Sonata platform. The Optimas on this platform use a different rear suspension set-up and is fractionally smaller in most dimensions than the Sonata (It gives up 1 cubic foot of interior space and 1.5 cubic feet in the trunk as a result). The Optima and the Sonata do have quite a few similarities and having owned both, they are clearly related (they do share some corporate switchgear as well, but you see that similarity between a Sonata and Elantra as well), but they are also very different cars. There is enough modification in the platform where they can not be built on the same asembly line and it goes well beyond sheet metal stampings. I've heard some people say that the reason why Kia doesn't offer the 3.3 liter and instead offers the old V-6 is because the modified platform is slightly smaller it doesn't allow the room for the larger V-6. The fact that many expected them to offer the 3.3 with the 2009 revision of the Optima and they ended up not doing this does support this theory, albeit weakly. The pre-2006 days of the Optima and Sonata being identical are over.   Having driven both cars extensively, I can tell you that they are also tuned a bit differently, with the Sonata being noticeably softer. Also, the steering for the Sonata feels completely different. The Sonata is much, much lighter, but also more numb as well. My wife liked it better, but I actually preferred the more weighted, more direct feel of the Optima.   By the way, on the topic of brochures, my dealer as well has brochures for the 09 Sonata, but they are extremely abbreviated from a full-length brochure. They are only 6 pages long and pretty much the only info is a list of standard and optional features and a list of what's new for 2009. It didn't even have color swatches in it.
#504 of 1014 Re: It Is [backy] by allthatblue Jul 20, 2008 (5:35 am)
Replying to: backy (Jul 11, 2008 4:32 pm) Correct.   Even though Optima and Sonata shared Engines, they do not share platforms. the platform used to develop Optima came from Elantra, Believe or not, it's true. this is the reason Optima looks slightly smaller than Sonata especially in width.   And this is why Optima has a fairly different driving feel from that of Sonata. Optima has more responsiveness in handling, quick and agile feel in driving. Sonata somewhat lacks of these feels. Replies to this message: backy (Jul 20, 2008 9:07 am) bargugl (Jul 20, 2008 12:49 pm) backy (Jul 20, 2008 1:43 pm)
#505 of 1014 Re: It Is [allthatblue] by backy Jul 20, 2008 (9:07 am)
Replying to: allthatblue (Jul 20, 2008 5:35 am) Unlike the previous Optima, this vehicle no longer shares its platform with the current generation Sonata (NF) nor Hyundai Elantra (HD). It instead uses a global platform, unique to Kia, designated "MG," shared with the the Kia Carens/Rondo.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kia_Optima   Can you point us to a reference that confirms that the Optima is based on the Elantra platform? I've never seen anything other than supposition to that effect. Replies to this message: bargugl (Jul 20, 2008 12:49 pm) backy (Jul 20, 2008 1:43 pm)
#506 of 1014 2009 sonata limeted by wrs4 Jul 20, 2008 (12:02 pm)
What is a good price to pay for this car? has any in south FL bought one? Looking for the 4 cyl AT
#507 of 1014 Re: It Is [backy] by bargugl Jul 20, 2008 (12:49 pm)
Replying to: backy (Jul 20, 2008 9:07 am) This may create clearness or more confusion but here are a few mentions of the Kia Optima platform. I have hard time believing it is a 100% new from the ground up platform being that it is the same parent company. It is probably more a situation where the engineers were given a template and told to modify as necessary. Whatever it is, I believe it is closer in relation to the NF Sonata than the Elantra as I believe the mods to make the platform work for the Rondo would have been much harder working from the Elantra platform than from working on the NF platform as a starting point. We need a Kia engineer to tell us what it is for certain. http://baby.boom.com.hk/portfolio/research/Korea/KR_000270_050811.pdf http://www.babez.de/kia/kia-magentis-optima.php (text comes straight from Kia press release.) http://www1.autotrader.com.au/Mellor/Mellor.Nsf/story2/204DCEE055220C8FCA2571C50- 00AC6CE https://shop.sae.org/automag/globalvehicles/11-2005/1-113-11-8.pdf (you'll have to scroll down a bit to find the info on Kia) Replies to this message: backy (Jul 20, 2008 1:43 pm)
#508 of 1014 Re: It Is [bargugl] by backy Jul 20, 2008 (1:43 pm)
Replying to: bargugl (Jul 20, 2008 12:49 pm) Thanks for the links. The first and fourth confirm that the Optima's platform is different than the Sonata's. The second (and somewhat the fourth) confirm that the Optima's platform is indeed a new, Kia-sourced platform, used also for the Carens (Rondo). The third reference is not from Kia or Hyundai, but from a third-party review of the car, so we have no idea how factual the statement "...the MG-series Magentis is a loose development of parent Hyundai’s current NF Sonata platform" is. (I've seen many errors of fact in third-party car reviews!)   Maybe any further discussion on this topic should go to the Optima forum?
#509 of 1014 Re: 2009 Hyundai Sonata SE 4-cylinder- Manual trans only? [igozoomzoom] by nomasfarc Jul 23, 2008 (11:09 am)
Replying to: igozoomzoom (Jul 15, 2008 1:59 pm) When you built a new Sonata SE 4-cylinder on the Hyundai website you are evidently doing it for the 2008 SE, not the 2009. The 2009 Sonata SE 4 cylinder manual trans has not been delivered to dealers yet according to a phone conversation I had with Hyundai customer service a few weeks ago. As with the 2008 SE, the 2009 SE 4 cylinder will be a manual trans while the V6 will be automatic.   I believe interest in the SE manual trans will increase in the future now that gasoline keeps going up in price. If you drive them correctly manual trans cars usually can exceed the mileage that you get from auto trans (you don't have to be in gear when coasting or going down hills). A good reason why most Europeans prefer manual trans over automatic - their gasoline prices have been above $5 per gallon for many years now.   I am getting 40 miles per gallon combined city/hwy in my 2000 Mazda. Of course, I try not to exceed the speed limit by more than 5 miles per hour. Replies to this message: backy (Jul 23, 2008 11:35 am) bhmr59 (Jul 23, 2008 5:44 pm) dgs4 (Jul 23, 2008 6:10 pm) stephen987 (Jul 24, 2008 6:55 am) m6user (Jul 24, 2008 8:36 am) igozoomzoom (Aug 07, 2008 5:20 am) and 1 more...
#510 of 1014 Re: 2009 Hyundai Sonata SE 4-cylinder- Manual trans only? [nomasfarc] by backy Jul 23, 2008 (11:35 am)
Replying to: nomasfarc (Jul 23, 2008 11:09 am) If Hyundai customer service told you that the SE I4 will be exclusively an MT, then either they are mistaken, or the car that Motor Trend reviewed recently, a 2009 Sonata SE I4 with AT, in U.S. spec, is a one-off. Which I doubt.

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