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2009-2010 Hyundai Sonata

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Re: You Have To Buy A New Hyundai at A Bargain Price or Buy Something Else by jaxs1
Feb 17, 2008 (1:14 pm)
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Replying to: macakava (Feb 17, 2008 1:04 pm)

I looked up a 1998 Accord LX vs a 1998 Sonata GL with both being in good condition and having 120K miles.
The Accord was worth $3300 trade-in and the Sonata was only worth 1/3 of the Accord's value at only $1100.
So, even after 10 years and 120,000 miles, there is a major resale value difference.
The Accord still has decent value at that age and mileage because people expect an Accord to go between 200K and 300K miles and they expect the Hyundai to be disposable at 100K miles.
The Accords get pretty old before their trade-in value drops below $2000.
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Re: You Have To Buy A New Hyundai at A Bargain Price or Buy Something Else [jaxs1] by backy
Feb 17, 2008 (1:20 pm)
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Replying to: jaxs1 (Feb 17, 2008 1:14 pm)

In other words, if you paid more than $1,200 or so more for the Accord in 1998 than the Sonata, you made out better financially with the Sonata--assuming you invested the difference at a minimum of 6% interest, or maybe paid off another debt that was at 6% or greater.
 
That's a good example though of how the depreciation difference fades over time. In your earlier example, the difference in value was $4500-5100 for 2006 models. But after ten years, the difference is down to $2200. It doesn't take much of a price difference to make that up, given the time value of money. I'll bet 1998 Accord cost a lot more than $1200, or even $2200, more than a 1998 Sonata.
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Re: You Have To Buy A New Hyundai at A Bargain Price or Buy Something Else [jaxs1] by joe97
Feb 17, 2008 (2:22 pm)
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Replying to: jaxs1 (Feb 17, 2008 1:14 pm)

There are signs Hyundai's resale value is going up. Edmunds recently wrapped up a long-term test of a 2007 Azera. With more than 18K miles on the odometer, the depreciation % was only 1% less than a similar Camry tested, except with about 3K additional miles. Also, as a followup, someone provided an example from KBB, this time Avalon LTD vs. Azera LTD, where the raw upfront cost difference is about 7K, depreciation % after 19K miles are about the same, with the Azera checks in less than 1% behind the same Avalon. Both cars lost at an estimated 8K from MSRP (excellent condition)
 
I know these are just retained values, which may or may not be representative in the real-world, but it still speaks volume about the improvement of the brand.
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Re: You Have To Buy A New Hyundai At A Bargain Price or Buy Something Else [jaxs1] by micro99
Feb 17, 2008 (6:22 pm)
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Replying to: jaxs1 (Feb 17, 2008 10:05 am)

There is one element of this discussion that never receives much mention and that is simply the degree to which "resale figures and especially dealer trade-in figures" for Honda will maintain their good to excellent relative historic values ! It is my experience that Honda dealers have only shown a willingness to discount new vehicles close to invoice in the last year or two, and my guess that the "dealer offers" on used Hondas come trade -in time have dropped accordingly but are not yet reflected in KBB stats. Maybe Honda Accord owners will experience a shock come trade-in time in future ?
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2009 Sonata Site by jaxs1
Feb 17, 2008 (6:47 pm)
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http://www.2009sonata.com
 
It hasn't been updated yet.
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Re: You Have To Buy A New Hyundai at A Bargain Price or Buy Something Else by jaxs1
Feb 17, 2008 (7:13 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Feb 17, 2008 11:29 am)

The invoice price of a 2008 Accord LX-P automatic is $20720
The invoice price of a 2009 Sonata GLS with PEP 2 to make it comparably equipped is $19774, I actually think a GLS with PEP2 purchased for under $20K would be a nice car for that price.
But with merely $976 dollars purchase price difference than a new Honda Accord LX-P, the resale will kill you.
It will probably take 12-15 years or more for the price difference at resale to get that narrow.
There will need to be more than $4000 in incentives to get the selling price down to the below $16K street price needed to make it safe bet for the typical buyer who may want to trade it within 5 years or so.
It will probably be into calendar year 2009 before the combination of rebates and incentives might get that big, Maybe a big incentive on a 2-3 year lease would let you lease one for less than much the higher residual Accords and Camrys.
The people who may buy a 2009 Sonata in the next few months with only small or no rebates and above invoice pricing are going to be throwing away a lot of money.
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Re: You Have To Buy A New Hyundai at A Bargain Price or Buy Something Else [jaxs1] by backy
Feb 17, 2008 (8:07 pm)
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Replying to: jaxs1 (Feb 17, 2008 7:13 pm)

Yes, just like anyone who buys a new model when it first comes out, before the discounts and rebates arrive--e.g. people who bought the 2007 Camry when it first came out (now there's hefty discounts and rebates, and low lease rates ala $179/mo. for the LE), and people who leased the 2008 Accord LX up until the past few days, when the lease rate dropped from $259/mo. to $219/mo. Those who want to be first on their block to own a new model or a redux pay for the privilege. As for me, I'd wait a few months until the 2008 Sonatas are gone and the 2009 Sonata is slugging it out with all the other mid-sizers out there without the old model to suck up the incentives.
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Re: You Have To Buy A New Hyundai at A Bargain Price or Buy Something Else [jaxs1] by joe97
Feb 17, 2008 (9:30 pm)
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Replying to: jaxs1 (Feb 17, 2008 7:13 pm)

Maybe not, especially when signs of resale values for Hyundai vehicles are on the rise. And, with upcoming additions such as the Genesis nearing availability, the rise of resale values would only be propelled further.
 
Most of us know the Sonata can go up and take on the rest of the class. So is the price increase justified? I'd like to think so. I mean, take the base trim for example, it goes up by some $750 if I recall correctly, but you'd get so much more compared to the current model; with all of the extra features and arguably a much better visual (subjective), not to mention the power increase, yet still achieving the best fuel economy in the class. Similar case can be made on other trims of the model.
 
The weakening of the dollars may have something to do with this, but perhaps also, it's all about the perception game. I mean, the perception is generally in favor of something more expensive than the cheaper counterpart, because they are more expensive, they percept to be better (psychological effect?). I'd venture to guess Hyundai wants more of the general public to find out perspective consumers are still be able to feel confident about a car even though it may not say a Camry, or an Accord, for example.
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2009 Sonata Cabin by joe97
Feb 17, 2008 (10:04 pm)
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Re: 2009 Sonata Facelift [electronix] by jal012773
Feb 20, 2008 (7:25 am)
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Replying to: electronix (Nov 14, 2007 3:47 pm)

I love the interior update, but am not impressed with the exterior update. The grill is too big and I'm of the opinion that less is more when it comes to the chrome accents. I hate chrome. Reminds me of the 70's.

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