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Electric - too good to be true?

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Re: Electric - too good to be true? [dwhatshername] by tpe
Nov 08, 2007 (6:13 am)
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Replying to: dwhatshername (Nov 06, 2007 1:16 pm)

While that vehicle is not available to the public it does exist and is capable of doing everything Phoenix Motorcars claims. Unfortunately at the present time the battery packs make it very expensive. The other red flag is that Phoenix was saying that they would deliver 600 of these vehicles for fleet use this year. That's not going to happen. They claim the delay is due to the fact they are waiting for some standards regarding recharging stations to be adopted but, IMO, that is somewhat suspect. My guess is that they're in need of financing.
 
Mitsubishi plans on producing an EV starting in 2009, the i-MIEV. We'll see. 2009 isn't that far off so if they are publicizing this date they must be well along in development.
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Re: Electric - too good to be true? [tpe] by gagrice
Nov 08, 2007 (6:33 am)
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Replying to: tpe (Nov 08, 2007 6:13 am)

It would be easier to take an existing Mitsubishi model and convert it to EV than build one from the ground up. I don't see companies like Phoenix having the capitol to give up several cars for the crash tests that will be required. And still the illusive battery issue. I think that is still the biggest hurtle to cross.
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News tidbit by pf_flyer HOST
Feb 15, 2008 (6:39 am)
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A very interesting bit of electric vehicle news came up on the Alternate Route this morning...
 
Bond, James Bond
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Re: Electric - too good to be true? [gagrice] by dwhatshername
Feb 18, 2008 (1:05 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 08, 2007 6:33 am)

I think the estimate for the Phoenix SUV is around 60K. Here is an email I got from Phoenix Motorcars just recently:
 
Thank you very much for registering your name on the Phoenix Motorcars electric vehicle waitlist. We have received an enormous amount of interest from prospective customers like you this past year. And, with your encouragement and support, we have developed a best-in-class, electric vehicle that offers drivers the following performance benefits:
 
· 100+ mile range;
 
· Speeds of 95 m.p.h. carrying four passengers and a full payload;
 
· 0 to 60 mph in 10 seconds;
 
· Long life lithium titanate battery;
 
· 10 minute recharge capability (using a 480V charger); and
 
· Availability in both SUT and SUV configurations.
 
Please note that we are also working with a leading vehicle customizer, Darkside Motoring™, to create a limited edition vehicle to celebrate our launch. In fact, you may have already seen our Red & Black Darkside show car. Likewise, our 2008 limited edition model will offer a premium paint, interior and wheel package.
 
As you may have already heard, we will be delivering our first production vehicles to customers this year. Accordingly, we would like to offer you the opportunity to pre-order a Phoenix Motorcars’ electric vehicle. If you are interested in placing an order, please sign and return the form below. A Phoenix Motorcars Sales Representative will then contact you to discuss the necessary details. Please note that pre-orders we will require a down-payment (25% for standard delivery, 100% for priority delivery), which shall be fully refundable up to 60 days prior to the delivery date.
 
For those of you who simply wish to remain on the waitlist, no action is needed at this time. We will keep you posted on our production plans, and look forward to working with you.
 
We would like to thank you once again for your continued support. Please do not hesitate to contact Robyn Conway at (909) 987-0815 if you have any questions.
 
Very Truly Yours,
 
Bryon Bliss
 
VP, Sales & Marketing
 
www.phoenixmotorcars.com
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Re: Electric - too good to be true? [dwhatshername] by gagrice
Mar 17, 2008 (5:34 pm)
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Replying to: dwhatshername (Feb 18, 2008 1:05 pm)

A Phoenix Motorcars Sales Representative will then contact you to discuss the necessary details. Please note that pre-orders we will require a down-payment (25% for standard delivery, 100% for priority delivery), which shall be fully refundable up to 60 days prior to the delivery date.
 
I hope you did not send them any money. My Uncle sent a deposit on a Tucker. All he got was a radio. A very expensive lesson.
 
I like the looks of the little PU. The price would have to be around $25k for me to give it a second look. It is a local short range vehicle for picking up stuff at the store. It would be competing with my $4K 1999 Ford Ranger. Not many folks are going to plunk down $60 for that vehicle.
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Re: Electric - too good to be true? [gagrice] by dwhatshername
Mar 22, 2008 (4:33 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Mar 17, 2008 5:34 pm)

I haven't spent any money, just observing. It looks like the price will be $47,500 for the SUT, and $54,000 for the SUV. They have a nice little calculator that helps you figure out how much money you would save in the long run:
http://www.phoenixmotorcars.com/why-choose-phoenix/roi-calculator.php
 
If the vehicle batteries last as long as originally claimed, you should be able to go 250 miles on one charge. Hardly a short range vehicle.
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Re: Electric - too good to be true? [dwhatshername] by gagrice
Mar 22, 2008 (5:16 pm)
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Replying to: dwhatshername (Mar 22, 2008 4:33 pm)

That is a cool little calculator. It would take at least 12 years to break even. What they have left out is the interest on the money saved with purchase of a gas equivalent. I cannot imagine them staying in business unless they can get the price down at least within range of a comparable vehicle. It will be a novelty until it is under $30K. It will be interesting to see if states like CA force them to 10 years or 150k miles on the battery, as they did with the hybrids. According to their website it is 3yr 36k mile bumper to bumper.
 
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They are only claiming 100 miles range.
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Um, 480 volts? by stevedebi
Jun 03, 2008 (11:01 pm)
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Any one thought about how one would come up with a charger that put out 480 volts in the average house? And how much would it cost, and how much electricity would it use?
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Re: Electric - too good to be true? [gagrice] by stevedebi
Jun 03, 2008 (11:03 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Mar 22, 2008 5:16 pm)

" It will be interesting to see if states like CA force them to 10 years or 150k miles on the battery, as they did with the hybrids. According to their website it is 3yr 36k mile bumper to bumper."
 
They won't sell it in CARB states if that is the requirement. The technology just isn't there for LiIon batteries to last anywhere near that long.
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Re: Electric - too good to be true? [stevedebi] by gagrice
Jun 06, 2008 (6:18 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Jun 03, 2008 11:03 pm)

They won't sell it in CARB states if that is the requirement.
 
That may have been a sticking point with the EV-1 in CA. The way I read the law on AT-PZEV is the car must maintain that level of emissions for 10 years or 150k miles. With an EV it becomes less of an emissions and more of it just won't go issue. So maybe they will let the buyer beware. It would be good to have some assurance that you will not have to replace $20,000 worth of batteries every 3 years.

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