Article Comments - Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans

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What is this discussion about? Cadillac CTS, BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G35, Mercedes-Benz 350-Class, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Car Comparisons, Sedan

Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans - This is exactly why we gathered this group of sport sedans. That is, to find out if the 2008 Cadillac CTS, 2007 Infiniti G35 Sport, 2008 Lexus IS 350 or 2008 Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport can topple the Bavarian champ — the 2007 BMW 335i. In the spirit of the segment, each car in the test is outfitted with sport package hardware — usually a stiffer suspension and bigger wheels and tires — and an automatic transmission. (more)

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#90 of 475 Where is the Lexus IS 350? by lgarnes Nov 08, 2007 (11:11 am)
306 Horses , RWD , 0-60 5.6 , Port & Direct Fuel Injection, 21 city 28 highway, ULEVII, 6 speed sequential Gearbox, and the Interior in my opinion is best in class... Replies to this message: louiswei (Nov 08, 2007 11:15 am) 150mphclub (Nov 09, 2007 6:02 am) scottm123 (Nov 09, 2007 7:13 am) circlew (Nov 09, 2007 7:32 am)
#91 of 475 Re: Where is the Lexus IS 350? [lgarnes] by louiswei Nov 08, 2007 (11:15 am)
Replying to: lgarnes (Nov 08, 2007 11:11 am) It ranked 4th behind G35S, 335i and CTS.
#92 of 475 Re: Where is the TL typeS ???????? [louiswei] by 6sptl Nov 08, 2007 (6:15 pm)
Replying to: louiswei (Nov 07, 2007 3:23 pm) The proof is in the pudding. The fact is that the TLS will outhandle and outrace any of these vehicles, furthermore, it is as comfortable if not more than any of these, and has more standard goodies. Whether the "feel" is superior or not that is another story. BTW though my moniker is 6spdtl I don't own one any more, I swapped it for an RL. In the upper midwest AWD is a must have. Since the RL doesn't have the dynamics of the TL (the so called feel) I also bought an s2000, which I always wanted anyway! Replies to this message: lovemyclk (Nov 09, 2007 7:25 am) habitat1 (Nov 09, 2007 11:50 am) taxesquire (Nov 09, 2007 2:02 pm) threxx (Nov 09, 2007 1:00 pm) 6sptl (Nov 09, 2007 9:26 pm) habitat1 (Nov 10, 2007 5:33 am) and 14 more...
#93 of 475 Re: Where is the Lexus IS 350? [lgarnes] by 150mphclub Nov 09, 2007 (6:02 am)
Replying to: lgarnes (Nov 08, 2007 11:11 am) I agree. Best in Class. I would be driving one today, except for one thing. My head touches the damn sunroof, and Lexus won't build me one without it. Replies to this message: scottm123 (Nov 09, 2007 7:13 am) circlew (Nov 09, 2007 7:32 am)
#94 of 475 Re: Where is the Lexus IS 350? [150mphclub] by scottm123 Nov 09, 2007 (7:13 am)
Replying to: 150mphclub (Nov 09, 2007 6:02 am) Getting the exact Lexus I wanted was also a complete pain in the $$. Special ordering was a complete nightmare and everytime I started a new order, new rules were thrown into the mix, making it impossible. Even more frustrating is the endless amount of threads from toehrs talking about how they ordered the exact IS they wanted, and it came in ahead of schedule. I ordered the exact G I wanted, over the phone no less, and it came in exactly the way I wanted. Every person has a different experience, that's for sure. Replies to this message: circlew (Nov 09, 2007 7:32 am)
#95 of 475 Re: Where is the TL typeS ???????? [6sptl] by lovemyclk Nov 09, 2007 (7:25 am)
Replying to: 6sptl (Nov 08, 2007 6:15 pm) "The fact* is that the TLS will outhandle and outrace any of these vehicles*" Outhandle and outrace a G35S or 335i
#96 of 475 Re: Where is the Lexus IS 350? [scottm123] by circlew Nov 09, 2007 (7:32 am)
Replying to: scottm123 (Nov 09, 2007 7:13 am) I got the E90 330 in December 2005 exactly as ordered. It was in-transit on the day I ordered it. The dealer experience is the best I've encountered. Makes you want a repeat performance more than I could ever believe was possible from ANY dealer. The Audi dealer up the road proved a notably less satisfying experience during the shopping phase as was my local BMW dealer, (which has since changed owners). Regards, OW
#97 of 475 Re: Where is the TL typeS ???????? [6sptl] by from_fl Nov 09, 2007 (10:10 am)
Replying to: 6sptl (Nov 07, 2007 3:09 pm) TL is FWD.
#98 of 475 Re: Where is the TL typeS ???????? [6sptl] by habitat1 Nov 09, 2007 (11:50 am)
Replying to: 6sptl (Nov 08, 2007 6:15 pm) Congratulations on your S2000 - one of the best cars I've owned. But I think your memory of your former TL has become a little clouded. I own a 2004 6-speed and test drove a 2007 TL-S 6-speed a couple of months ago. As much as I am happy with my car as a "sporty" family sedan, it is absolutely not in the same league as the 3-series in handling, steering or overall performance. If performance were my priority, I'd readily take a 328i over the TL-S, let alone the 335i. I don't know what you could possibly be thinking when you claim that a 62/38 nose heavy, FWD TL-S will outhandle and outrace a perfectly balanced 50/50 RWD 3 series. When I jump out of my 911 and into my TL 6-speed, I have to baby the TL so as not to induce torque steer and wheel hop that borders on the dangerous under hard acceleration. You could point your S2000 straight ahead and accelerate to 60 through 1st and 2nd gear without holding the steering wheel and it will go straight. Do that in a TL and you will be in a meat wagon heading to the morgue. FWD is not, nor will it ever be, conducive to performance. Period. Replies to this message: taxesquire (Nov 09, 2007 2:02 pm)
#99 of 475 Re: Where is the TL typeS ???????? [6sptl] by threxx Nov 09, 2007 (1:00 pm)
Replying to: 6sptl (Nov 08, 2007 6:15 pm) You show an obvious and extreme bias and/or lack of knowledge regarding these cars when you say "the TL-S will outhandle and outrace any of these vehicles". It's simply, factually, and absolutely untrue. Anyone with a realistic handle and experience on these cars will echo that as essentially fact - not even really a question of subjectivities or opinion. The 335i, for example, ran a verified and official 8:26 at Nurburgring. The S2000 (which I'm sure is a quicker track car than the TL-S) ran a best of 8:39, and for reference the Ferrari 360 Modena ran a best of 8:09 meaning the difference between the S2000 and the 335i's best is almost as significant as the difference between the 335i and the Ferrari 360 Modena. Fairly significant. I apologize for comparing the 335i to a S2000 but the fact is I can't even find any verified/usable track times for the TL-S since it seems they're fairly rare to see at a track in the first place... Replies to this message: 6sptl (Nov 09, 2007 9:26 pm) habitat1 (Nov 10, 2007 5:33 am) graphicguy (Nov 10, 2007 8:01 am) and 1 more... circlew (Nov 10, 2007 9:32 am) and 11 more...