Article Comments - Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans

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What is this discussion about? Cadillac CTS, BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G35, Mercedes-Benz 350-Class, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Car Comparisons, Sedan

Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans - This is exactly why we gathered this group of sport sedans. That is, to find out if the 2008 Cadillac CTS, 2007 Infiniti G35 Sport, 2008 Lexus IS 350 or 2008 Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport can topple the Bavarian champ — the 2007 BMW 335i. In the spirit of the segment, each car in the test is outfitted with sport package hardware — usually a stiffer suspension and bigger wheels and tires — and an automatic transmission. (more)

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#438 of 475 Neither car perfect yet by fphjr01 Apr 04, 2008 (5:26 am)
I think the main problem people have is the need to justify which car they like better to everyone else -- if you like the G or the 3 then great -- be happy with your choice or purchase. From my point of view, both cars have room for improvement. I think the 3 is heading in the wrong direction with run flat tires and the way maintenance is handled. While its included for buyers for the first 50k miles, they are setting up their service centers for serious price gouging later on -- that is an insidious tactic that I'm not a fan of. The reliability of the 3 has been pretty good from what I can tell -- is there a statistical advantage / disadvantage to the G? My guess is its slim to none. Sure you can solve the run flat problem by switching to regular tires, but then that's another $500-1000 to add to the price disparity between the 3 and the G. My problem with the G is they aren't putting their best car together yet. There's already a better engine in the G37 coupe, but its not being used in the sedan. They've also got a 7-spd auto in the works, which I think should further improve performance and fuel economy -- a tangible advantage the 3 currently has. I agree with others that price is objective, and that 0.2sec in the 0-60 makes no difference when you are sitting in traffic on the highway. At the end of the day we should count ourselves lucky that we have such excellent selection overall -- we're arguing over which of two great cars is greater. Replies to this message: cdnpinhead (Apr 04, 2008 6:48 am) roadburner (Apr 04, 2008 5:01 pm) cdnpinhead (Apr 04, 2008 6:40 pm) and 5 more...
#439 of 475 Re: Neither car perfect yet [fphjr01] by cdnpinhead Apr 04, 2008 (6:48 am)
Replying to: fphjr01 (Apr 04, 2008 5:26 am) "I think the 3 is heading in the wrong direction with run flat tires and the way maintenance is handled." I couldn't agree more. I recently voted with my money, and it wasn't for the 3 that I thought I was going to get for the last 3-4 years. Replies to this message: roadburner (Apr 04, 2008 5:01 pm) cdnpinhead (Apr 04, 2008 6:40 pm) roadburner (Apr 05, 2008 6:28 am) nizzo (Apr 05, 2008 2:02 pm) and 3 more...
#440 of 475 Re: Neither car perfect yet [cdnpinhead] by roadburner Apr 04, 2008 (5:01 pm)
Replying to: cdnpinhead (Apr 04, 2008 6:48 am) I couldn't agree more. I recently voted with my money, and it wasn't for the 3 that I thought I was going to get for the last 3-4 years. I must have missed it, what did you end up with? I'm trying to decide whether to stick a stroker motor, lightweight flywheel, and new springs/shocks into the ti or find a nice E30 or E36 M3 instead. The blasted track bug has bit me all over again; it's a sickness, I tell ya... Replies to this message: cdnpinhead (Apr 04, 2008 6:40 pm) roadburner (Apr 05, 2008 6:28 am) nizzo (Apr 05, 2008 2:02 pm) roadburner (Apr 05, 2008 5:24 pm) and 2 more...
#441 of 475 Re: Neither car perfect yet [roadburner] by cdnpinhead Apr 04, 2008 (6:40 pm)
Replying to: roadburner (Apr 04, 2008 5:01 pm) You are exactly the kind of person that today's BMW couldn't give a rip less about. Modifying the car is well beyond checking the oil, and they don't want us doing even that. Then there's that RFT situation (I had a much more colorful phrase in there, but discretion became the better part). Each month when I read Roundel, I learn about more people like me -- all are driving BMWs 5 years or more (often much more) old. I drove a Datsun 510 that was based (many would say copied) on the BMW 1600, which turned into the revered 2002. BMWs without dipsticks are as far as it's possible to get from that concept. Sad. Anyway, I ended up with an Acura TSX and am very pleased so far. Replies to this message: roadburner (Apr 05, 2008 6:28 am) nizzo (Apr 05, 2008 2:02 pm) roadburner (Apr 05, 2008 5:24 pm) carzzz (Apr 06, 2008 6:22 pm) and 1 more...
#442 of 475 Re: Neither car perfect yet [cdnpinhead] by roadburner Apr 05, 2008 (6:28 am)
Replying to: cdnpinhead (Apr 04, 2008 6:40 pm) BMWs without dipsticks are as far as it's possible to get from that concept. Sad. I agree. Most BMW owners prefer to wear them rather than drive them. Though I think that that is probably true with every car in the segment. Anyway, I ended up with an Acura TSX and am very pleased so far. I'd think so; that's a very nice car. Congratulations!
#443 of 475 Re: Neither car perfect yet [cdnpinhead] by nizzo Apr 05, 2008 (2:02 pm)
Replying to: cdnpinhead (Apr 04, 2008 6:40 pm) Heh, yeah, personally I still got my 2003 E39 530i Sport, manual transmission, dipstick, et all Love it, the car just does everything really well. Best all-around car I've ever had, no contest. The E39 was a superb achievement. Here's the edmunds review: http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=78910/pageNumber=1?sy- npartner=edmunds&pageurl=www.edmunds.com/new/2008/bmw/5series/100870599/roadtest- article.html&articleId=78910 Replies to this message: roadburner (Apr 05, 2008 5:24 pm) carzzz (Apr 06, 2008 6:22 pm) kdshapiro (Apr 07, 2008 5:10 am)
#444 of 475 Re: Neither car perfect yet [nizzo] by roadburner Apr 05, 2008 (5:24 pm)
Replying to: nizzo (Apr 05, 2008 2:02 pm) Love it, the car just does everything really well. Best all-around car I've ever had, no contest. The E39 was a superb achievement. We had a 1997 528i. An outstanding car. My local dealer took a gorgeous '03 540i Sport in trade. Even though I usually prefer smaller cars, I probably would have bought it had it been a manual... Replies to this message: carzzz (Apr 06, 2008 6:22 pm) kdshapiro (Apr 07, 2008 5:10 am)
#445 of 475 G35 and Alfa by arlobigwater Apr 05, 2008 (7:15 pm)
I have found it interesting that everyone wants to compare the G35 to German cars. guessing most have not driven Italian sedans, or owned them. My reason for buying its was that it felt more like my 164L 5spd, a car I drove into the ground before I gave it up. The 335i I tried didn't have the edge I wanted to feel. Comments?
#446 of 475 Re: Neither car perfect yet [roadburner] by carzzz Apr 06, 2008 (6:22 pm)
Replying to: roadburner (Apr 05, 2008 5:24 pm) http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/roadtest,view,BMW.spy?artid=95920 One of the most interesting results Replies to this message: kdshapiro (Apr 07, 2008 5:10 am)
#447 of 475 Re: Neither car perfect yet [carzzz] by kdshapiro Apr 07, 2008 (5:10 am)
Replying to: carzzz (Apr 06, 2008 6:22 pm) The steering is peculiar; there is about a half-second between the moment we turn the wheel and the moment when the wheels actually turn. The result is a car that understeers and gives a slightly disconnected feel. We get used to it, but still. The Internet is wonderful. It goes to show anybody can write anything. Seems like this would be enough for C/D,R/T, edmunds etc to make the car last in an AWD sports sedan comparo.