Article Comments - Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans

475 messages, Last post on Jul 25, 2008 at 4:41 PM

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What is this discussion about? Cadillac CTS, BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G35, Mercedes-Benz 350-Class, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Car Comparisons, Sedan

Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans - This is exactly why we gathered this group of sport sedans. That is, to find out if the 2008 Cadillac CTS, 2007 Infiniti G35 Sport, 2008 Lexus IS 350 or 2008 Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport can topple the Bavarian champ — the 2007 BMW 335i. In the spirit of the segment, each car in the test is outfitted with sport package hardware — usually a stiffer suspension and bigger wheels and tires — and an automatic transmission. (more)

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#420 of 475 Re: Article Comments - Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans [KarenS] by rag133 Jan 18, 2008 (10:29 pm)
Replying to: KarenS (Nov 05, 2007 8:54 am) Funny I read the article and they said the G35 interior was one of the worst. I just bought an 08 G35X Sport. I drove the 335i also. Great car, but I thought the inside of the BMW was plain and boring. I really like the G35 interior, much nicer with more features than the 335i, yet they call it plain and boring?? Edmunds seems like the most hypocritical site I have seen for reviews. Amazing how one sentence they slam a car, then the next they love the features... Drive what YOU like, not what Edmunds says you will.
#421 of 475 Re: buying G35 vs 335 vs CTS [habitat1] by bamaroads Jan 26, 2008 (6:54 am)
Replying to: habitat1 (Jan 13, 2008 9:26 am) habitat, Thanks for insight. BTW: I drove a 5 series wagon on autobahn from Hanover to Hamburg this week. What a blast. Was on snow tires so had to keep it down a bit from what coulda been doing. Audi wagons are everywhere in Germany going fast. They like wagons in Germany. VW's, Audi's and bimmers. I discussed with local bmw dealer a possible sale on the 335 he had scheduled for production and committed to them. He came off a bit from sticker in initial discussion so I know they're willing to negotiate. The ED program woulda been something I needed more time to plan for. I figure the bmw maintenance is worth $1500 or so. 335 is premium ride and performance. G35 has hard drive, nav, 20 gallon fuel tank all for less $ overall. I've been banging around town in my current 06 G35 just to really get a sense of what I like/dislike about the car. The engine noise thing... very cool when just me in car running thru gears, when traveling with others simply doesn't match overall refinement of BMW. A 550i 6-sp? Ohh mann would I love to tool around in one of those. But the dang fuel tanks are too small to cover much highway. Not issue for me 'cause well outside of what I want to pay for car right now. cheers, bama'
#422 of 475 Re: Once again, kdshapiro... [pmc4] by ukgp Mar 26, 2008 (9:03 am)
Replying to: pmc4 (Nov 14, 2007 9:31 pm) Wow , no taxi driver in Englands uses a Citroen, they need to keep on the road MB E class, Nissan Primera, Toyota Carina , Vauxhall or Ford Mondeo more likely. Citroen no way oh and Most German taxis are E Class MB's or 3 series BMW's , but the germans still buy them as their own cars as well. Audis very cool very cramped very very unreliable. Cheers UKDOC
#423 of 475 Decision Time - BMW335xi vs G35xS by shawn22 Mar 29, 2008 (11:52 am)
Ive narrowed down my search to 2 and will be test driving both the 335xi and G35xS next weekend and making my decision.. Price difference aside (Which is about 10K). Has anyone had a chance to drive both and can you give some quick comparo's between the two? Also.....would dealers consider swapping out the runflats on the Bimmer for regular all-seasons during the bargaining process? (I live in Wisconsin). - Thanks! Replies to this message: happycamry (Mar 29, 2008 1:59 pm) cdnpinhead (Mar 29, 2008 4:27 pm) klossfam (Apr 02, 2008 8:21 am)
#424 of 475 Re: Decision Time - BMW335xi vs G35xS [shawn22] by happycamry Mar 29, 2008 (1:59 pm)
Replying to: shawn22 (Mar 29, 2008 11:52 am) I came from the Bimmer to the G35. The runflats, and the cost difference, about ten grand similarly equipped were the deal killers for me and I thought the G35 interior was far more luxurious. I did talk to two dealers about swapping runflats and they won't hear of it. No place for even a space saving spare either. What a boneheaded move on BMW's part. The BMW's advantage is a smoother transmission, in my opinion.
#425 of 475 Re: Decision Time - BMW335xi vs G35xS [shawn22] by cdnpinhead Mar 29, 2008 (4:27 pm)
Replying to: shawn22 (Mar 29, 2008 11:52 am) As others have said, the run-flat/spare tire situation on the BMW is a serious issue in my world. I can't comment on either vehicle beyond that. I did have a look to see if there is an existing comparison involving the two cars you're looking at. Well, there isn't, because the 335x is relatively new. That said, have a look at the topic list for both the 3-series & the G. You may find useful information, even though the BMW is question may not be the 335. I'm sure you'll enjoy either one, once you've made your choice. I recently pulled the trigger on a car that I hadn't intended to consider in the first place -- the 3-series was on top of my list.
#426 of 475 Re: I did the homework/analysis for you [nizzo] by drtravel Apr 01, 2008 (4:43 pm)
Replying to: nizzo (Jan 08, 2008 8:24 pm) Here are the pertinent sales figures for the first quarter of 2008: BMW 3-Series 27,013 Infiniti G 18,932 Mercedes C-Class 17,141 Lexus IS 11,966 The BMW numbers include the sedans, coupes, conv and wagons Replies to this message: sjaieve (Apr 01, 2008 7:21 pm)
#427 of 475 Re: I did the homework/analysis for you [drtravel] by sjaieve Apr 01, 2008 (7:21 pm)
Replying to: drtravel (Apr 01, 2008 4:43 pm) So about 6000 335i variants were sold (20% estimate) vs 19k Gs. Interesting
#428 of 475 Objective or Subjective? by tagman Apr 01, 2008 (8:22 pm)
I've been reading this thread after reading the comparison test results. It's obvious that there is an objective winner that is not the same as the subjective winner. The Edmunds comments pretty much state that for all of us to read clearly. Personally, I don't need to hear too many opinions when researching cars. I want the facts. The only opinion that matters in the end is mine. When looking at the objective facts, the BMW 3-Series is the winner. When threading opinions and feelings and emotions and subjective evaluations into the mix, it gets muddy, and that gives us the G35 as the winner. I personally don't care who was the winner, but having read all of this I think it is fair to point out that sometimes it is good to step back and take an honest look at what has happened here. It is true that the "value" wild card must be played in order for the G35 to be the declared winner. By playing this subjective card, the result is that the factual and objective winner is no longer the winner. Instead, a subjective criteria has been inserted into the equation and everything changes. There are real diamonds and there are artificial diamonds. Some like the artificial diamonds because they are so well made nowadays that they are extremely close to the real thing at a fraction of the price. Does that make them better because their price is such a great "value"? I don't think so. There should be no doubt in anyone's mind here that the genuine winner of this comp is the BMW 335i. But, if you're looking for a really "good deal", the artificial winner is the G35. The sales numbers don't mean any more than the sales prices. They are all irrelevant to the actual performance achievements. These performance achievements are what really matters. They are the actual measurements of what these machines can do and what they are capable of. These measurements say everything about the design, engineering, and production of these automobiles and their combined components. Marketing, currency fluctuations, and any price or sales numbers are totally independent from these concrete achievements. It's always a tragic shame when comparisons start muddying the clear objective waters with muddy subjective evaluations and muddy subjective factors that differ from one person's interpretation and opinion to another. To keep it clear and honest, and not muddy, it should remain objective. In other words... which car, overall, outperformed all the rest? Which one showed us the best overall performance achievement? So... if all of us, including Edmunds, are totally honest here, then the BMW 335i is the actual (objective) winner, and the G35 is the honorary (subjective) winner, due to it's outstanding and compelling value. Now THAT's the real truth! TagMan Replies to this message: sjaieve (Apr 02, 2008 12:44 am) gooddeal2 (Apr 02, 2008 7:09 am) bmajik (Apr 02, 2008 9:29 am) sjaieve (Apr 02, 2008 10:20 am) circlew (Apr 03, 2008 2:03 pm) jeffmo2334 (Apr 02, 2008 6:24 am) scottm123 (Apr 03, 2008 3:45 pm) circlew (Apr 03, 2008 1:58 pm)
#429 of 475 Re: Objective or Subjective? [tagman] by sjaieve Apr 02, 2008 (12:44 am)
Replying to: tagman (Apr 01, 2008 8:22 pm) I have read many a time how the 335i's perfomance is close to perfection and based on this, the 335 is clearly ahead in this regard, however your analysis is inaccurate when you say value is subjective, unfortunately for you, value is objective. The G is priced much lower than a 335i. This explains why the G sells more than the 335i. I wouldn't equate the G's perfomance to a fake diamond, its a real diamond but may have less clarity/carats than the 335i's . Personally I congratulate Edmunds for thinking outside the box and declaring something else other than the 335 the winner. I couldn't care less if the CTS was the winner. I acknowledge that the 335 is great in perfomance but it lacks in everything else IMO, value included. Replies to this message: gooddeal2 (Apr 02, 2008 7:09 am) bmajik (Apr 02, 2008 9:29 am) sjaieve (Apr 02, 2008 10:20 am) circlew (Apr 03, 2008 2:03 pm)