Article Comments - Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans

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What is this discussion about? Cadillac CTS, BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G35, Mercedes-Benz 350-Class, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Car Comparisons, Sedan

Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans - This is exactly why we gathered this group of sport sedans. That is, to find out if the 2008 Cadillac CTS, 2007 Infiniti G35 Sport, 2008 Lexus IS 350 or 2008 Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport can topple the Bavarian champ — the 2007 BMW 335i. In the spirit of the segment, each car in the test is outfitted with sport package hardware — usually a stiffer suspension and bigger wheels and tires — and an automatic transmission. (more)

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#237 of 475 Re: Once again, kdshapiro... [kdshapiro] by drtravel Nov 16, 2007 (1:31 pm)
Replying to: kdshapiro (Nov 16, 2007 5:41 am) BMW must be laughing all the way to the bank. YTD it outsells the G, 2 to 1. BMW outsells Infiniti - therefore proof that it is the better car. Can we please get past this? BMW could sell twice as many pieces of the identical bread as Infiniti just because is has the well-earned reputation that Infiniti is just now getting. A few years ago the company was almost bankrupt - the fact that Infiniti is this competitive so quickly is remarkable. BMW is much more well known to the buying public, has built-in brand loyalty, much higher prestige, been around much longer, and for conservative customers is a much safer choice than the Infiniti. Their market position is so much better than Infiniti's due to their longevity. BMW has such a large built-in advantage before releasing any car that their sales should be much larger. Besides following the heard has often proven to be incorrect over the long run. Let's not confuse popularity with being the best. Paying a premium for a RWD Maxima. I agree 100% that the fact that BMW makes taxis in Europe is irrelevant, but why keep making these types of comments about the Infiniti? The two incorrect comments are not related but two different topics. The Infiniti and Maximum are far different cars just like BMW and VW are far different. Replies to this message: kdshapiro (Nov 16, 2007 1:34 pm) drtravel (Nov 16, 2007 1:46 pm)
#238 of 475 Re: Once again, kdshapiro... [drtravel] by kdshapiro Nov 16, 2007 (1:34 pm)
Replying to: drtravel (Nov 16, 2007 1:31 pm) I agree 100% that the fact that BMW makes taxis in Europe is irrelevant, but why keep making these types of comments about the Infiniti? Because I'm tired about hearing about taxicabs, planes, trains and automobiles. We're talking about the US. Every manufacturers dream is to share parts among it's autos. BMW included. There is no pure DNA. Replies to this message: drtravel (Nov 16, 2007 1:46 pm)
#240 of 475 Re: Once again, kdshapiro... [kdshapiro] by drtravel Nov 16, 2007 (1:46 pm)
Replying to: kdshapiro (Nov 16, 2007 1:34 pm) There is no pure DNA. Exactly - the Caddy, MB, Lexus in this comparo also share parts as does every luxury maker. I would just tell the poster enough with the taxicab analogy without specifically criticizing Infiniti over and over again. PS Might want to consider somehow identifying the comments you are responding to - bold, italic etc. Sometimes I get confused which is your intelligent comment and which is the not so intelligent post you are responding to.
#241 of 475 Re: Folks [pat] by drtravel Nov 16, 2007 (1:49 pm)
Replying to: pat (Nov 16, 2007 3:23 am) Hey Pat, Just out of curiosity - do the Edmund editors who wrote the comparison actually read this forum? Might be fun if they responded every once in awhile. Replies to this message: pat (Nov 19, 2007 4:49 am)
#242 of 475 Re: Once again, kdshapiro... [habitat1] by ajvdh Nov 16, 2007 (1:59 pm)
When's the last time you saw Cadillac asking for track time at the Nurburgring? The previous gen. CTS-V, as well as the current CTS spent some development time at the 'ring. So did the SRX-V. As far as chassis went, the CTS-V was up there with the E39 M5, except that, oddly enough, it was the V which couldn't be launched drag-race style without scary amounts of axle tramp. It also had overheating issues if you ran a lot of laps. That said, anyone who claims that BMW isn't in the forefront of chassis development is either a troll or delusional. Here's a list of current BMW models that have been tested on the 'ring: Every. Last. One. Yep, everything with a Roundel, from the 4-banger 1 series Diesels, through the new E90/92 3s, through the X5, all the way to the 760iL gets track time on the 'ring (slightly off topic, I've instructed in a couple of E38 chassis 7-series. Very predictable and faster in the turns than they have any right to be). BMW has a permanent engineering facility at the ring. And, if you want a fast ride around it, instead of driving yourself, your ring taxi will be a BMW M5, not a Caddy (or Audi or MB or Nissan for that matter). As far as whether enthusiasts buy them: Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that any of the other marques mentioned in the test have an equivalent to this: http://www.bmwccaclubracing.com/ . Perusing the results for the SCCA solo nationals for luxury brands will reveal a whole bunch of Bimmers, a couple of Audi TTs and Lexii, one Infiniti and no MB's or Caddys.