Article Comments - Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans

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What is this discussion about? Cadillac CTS, BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G35, Mercedes-Benz 350-Class, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Car Comparisons, Sedan

Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans - This is exactly why we gathered this group of sport sedans. That is, to find out if the 2008 Cadillac CTS, 2007 Infiniti G35 Sport, 2008 Lexus IS 350 or 2008 Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport can topple the Bavarian champ — the 2007 BMW 335i. In the spirit of the segment, each car in the test is outfitted with sport package hardware — usually a stiffer suspension and bigger wheels and tires — and an automatic transmission. (more)

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#223 of 475 Re: Once again, kdshapiro... [kdshapiro] by drewsrx Nov 15, 2007 (3:08 pm)
Replying to: kdshapiro (Nov 15, 2007 6:51 am) Okay. And the G is an ugly RWD version of the ugly Maxima. So now what? Your analogy does not work. The E90 is used as a taxi in Europe. This is true. On the other hand, the G has almost nothing in common with the Maxima. But, most non car enthusiasts probably don't know that. So the fact that you made such a rash statement makes perfect sense. Replies to this message: louiswei (Nov 15, 2007 3:25 pm) kdshapiro (Nov 15, 2007 4:17 pm) pmc4 (Nov 15, 2007 8:57 pm)
#224 of 475 Re: Once again, kdshapiro... [drewsrx] by louiswei Nov 15, 2007 (3:25 pm)
Replying to: drewsrx (Nov 15, 2007 3:08 pm) Yeah... I love when people (especially domestic fanboys) got mad and start making statements like: The IS250 is just a glorified Corolla The G35 is just a glorified Altima The TL is just a glorified Accord (this is is not as laughable as the previous 2 but still funny). Then my response is always: do you know what's the biggest difference between the normal and glorified version? Usually the silence followed...
#225 of 475 Re: Once again, kdshapiro... [drewsrx] by kdshapiro Nov 15, 2007 (4:17 pm)
Replying to: drewsrx (Nov 15, 2007 3:08 pm) I actually have no problem that BMW is used as a taxicab. But it's funny one doesn't realize how much of the Maximas DNA the G really has. It doesn't really matter since the 335 will show it's tailights to the G especially with the right chip. Trying to "demean" BMW because it cars are used all over the world in different capacities, is like demeaning Lincoln because Ford sells police cars. But it's a good try. Replies to this message: pmc4 (Nov 15, 2007 8:57 pm)
#226 of 475 Once again, kdshapiro... by pmc4 Nov 15, 2007 (8:51 pm)
Replying to: kdshapiro (Nov 15, 2007 8:27 am) "Reading a forum to find useful information is a great tool. Unfortunately reading posts by people with allegiances to a particular brand that only praise their car and criticize the others doesn't serve this purpose You are doing the exact same thing. Extreme biases in favor of a brand offer little but justification for your purchase. One doesn't need to justify the purchase, it's their money. There are people passionate on both sides that doesn't make anybody wrong." Let the thread show that I have not shown any particular allegiance to any specific brand, while disparging the others. While I do show a priori to the Cadillac, I have mentioned that the other cars are also competitive in this field, with exception to the overrated and overhyped BMW 3-Series, which is just a glorified European taxi that Americans have somehow turned into a viable luxury sports sedan. For this reason I'm passionate--passionately at Americans being fooled into believing year after year that BMW's are actually worth their outragious sticker prices. Let's drop the cylinders by two, horsepower by 50 and the price tag by $30,000 then BMW will indeed be competitive in price--to the Accord, Camry and Fusion, where it rightfully belongs. Replies to this message: kdshapiro (Nov 16, 2007 5:41 am) drtravel (Nov 16, 2007 1:31 pm) kdshapiro (Nov 16, 2007 1:34 pm) and 1 more...
#227 of 475 Re: Once again, kdshapiro... [kdshapiro] by pmc4 Nov 15, 2007 (8:57 pm)
Replying to: kdshapiro (Nov 15, 2007 4:17 pm) "I actually have no problem that BMW is used as a taxicab. But it's funny one doesn't realize how much of the Maximas DNA the G really has. It doesn't really matter since the 335 will show it's tailights to the G especially with the right chip. Trying to "demean" BMW because it cars are used all over the world in different capacities, is like demeaning Lincoln because Ford sells police cars." OK, this has been brought up before. And yes, if Lincoln had a top-selling "luxury/sport sedan" that retailed for $45,000, and if a trimmed-down version of this sedan was also being used for taxi service along side the Saturn SL2's, Crown Vic's and Chevy Malibu's, then I would be on this forum imploring people to stay away from this fraud on four wheels, just like I'm doing with the BMW. No other automaker tries to pretend they have a world-class sport sedan on one continent and sell it for $12,000 as a taxi on another with a diesel engine. Only BMW pulls this trick on the consumer.
#228 of 475 HABITAT1 WHY DID YOU DO IT???!!! by pmc4 Nov 15, 2007 (9:04 pm)
Replying to: habitat1 (Nov 15, 2007 5:20 am) "Good grief, Steven Hawking, there really is an alternate universe! Where the Mattel Toy inspired, chrome-crazed styling of the CTS is considered "elegant". and why is the air turning purple. And where the original muscle car NASCAR loving "Yeehaws" suddenly woke up with little monsters on their toungs thinking they are "sophisticated" while the sounds in the room started turning into all the colors of the rainbow? I'm not sure what space ship you took to get here, but maybe you could commandeer the Mother Ship and relocate GM to your planet? Because they sure don't seem to be doing very well on this one. I guess all of that 40 year old push rod sophistication isn't fooling as many Earthlings as GM had hoped. All I can see now is the wall melting and my mind is expanding into a whirlwind of nothingness. "Dr. Timothy Leary, you were right all along. You were right all along..." kdshiparo, first your LSD experience, and now this! habitat1, Nancy Reagan told us to "just say no" Sage advice, IMHO...
#229 of 475 Re: Once again, kdshapiro... [drtravel] by pmc4 Nov 15, 2007 (9:19 pm)
Replying to: drtravel (Nov 15, 2007 7:17 am) kdshiparo, It's obvious you never seriously considered any of the other cars. There's BMW and then everybody else - the poor losers! Just because the poster doesn't share your opinion doesn't mean he (or she) hasn't driven the car." Not only did I not not drive the BMW 335i, but I've driven the older 330i and a really, really clunky convertable 4-cylinder BMW from the late 80's that was so stripped it had roll-up windows for crying out loud (A luxury car with a I4 and roll-up windows? you have got to be kidding...)! I am left in all instances that the cars all had obvious taxicab DNA. For this reason I am on this forum warning people. The 3-Series can only appeal to the mind that thinks burning strips of rubber on asphalt constitutes a competent sports sedan. These are the same people that watch NASCAR events. FOR THIS REASON AND THIS REASON ALONE, IT EXPLAINS WHY THE BMW 3-SERIES IS THE #1 SELLER IN AMERICA AND WHY NASCAR EVENTS ARE THE #1 WATCHED RACING CIRCUIT IN AMERICA! I wouldn't be the least bit suprised to see a beer-swiggin, tobacco-chewin' NASCAR racing circuit parking lot clogged to the rafters with BMW 335i's, since the BMW appeals only to the least common denominator in our society: Those who view a car's value in acceleration times only, without giving a second thought to sophistication or high-culture. The CTS exudes richness and taste; just look at the level of detail Cadillac designers put in the interior lighting. They took the interior elements of the jet and fused it into the tasteful and refined automotive interior: Inside: Replies to this message: sellaturcica (Nov 15, 2007 11:24 pm) ajvdh (Nov 16, 2007 1:59 pm)
#230 of 475 Re: Once again, kdshapiro... [pmc4] by sellaturcica Nov 15, 2007 (11:24 pm)
Replying to: pmc4 (Nov 15, 2007 9:19 pm) Oh come on. This isn't 1984. 2+2 does not equal 5. Somehow the entire world has been fooled by BMW because their cars are taxis? Please. The market has spoken, the world over; BMWs command a premium no matter where they are because they supply something people want- passion, driving dynamics, luxury, and yes.. posing. The fact that Cadillac has just gotten on point the last few years after 30+ years in the wilderness, but beside the point.
#231 of 475 Folks by pat HOST Nov 16, 2007 (3:23 am)
Regarding several recent posts, the personally directed and the off-topic posts really have to stop. They will be removed going forward - so please don't waste your time. Thanks. Replies to this message: drtravel (Nov 16, 2007 1:49 pm) pat (Nov 19, 2007 4:49 am)
#232 of 475 Re: Once again, kdshapiro... [pmc4] by kdshapiro Nov 16, 2007 (5:41 am)
Replying to: pmc4 (Nov 15, 2007 8:51 pm) Let the thread show that I have not shown any particular allegiance to any specific brand, while disparging the others. Thats right. What you are doing however is a thinly veiled attempt to show BMW is not worthwhile due to it's "taxicab" heritage. While the G is pure DNA. What a bunch of rubbish. I would like to thank you for the entertaining banter. BMW must be laughing all the way to the bank. YTD it outsells the G, 2 to 1. I wish I was a savvy to have a customer base like BMW. The nerve paying a premium for a taxicab. BMW customers must be as stupid as Inifinitis' customer however. Paying a premium for a RWD Maxima. Replies to this message: drtravel (Nov 16, 2007 1:31 pm) kdshapiro (Nov 16, 2007 1:34 pm) drtravel (Nov 16, 2007 1:46 pm)