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Sedans Article Comments - Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans
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Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans - This is exactly why we gathered this group of sport sedans. That is, to find out if the 2008 Cadillac CTS, 2007 Infiniti G35 Sport, 2008 Lexus IS 350 or 2008 Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport can topple the Bavarian champ — the 2007 BMW 335i. In the spirit of the segment, each car in the test is outfitted with sport package hardware — usually a stiffer suspension and bigger wheels and tires — and an automatic transmission. (more)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Nov 15, 2007 6:54 am) Edmunds specifically states that the Feature Content is based on "several critical performance- and luxury-enhancing items left off the list of amenities included in each manufacturer's equipment list. We selected seven features we feel are must-have items for cars in this class." They are basically saying Quality Of Design. Yes, Edmunds says BMW wins by a small margin in performance however unless you're a race car driver other factors might matter and obviously did to the editors. Yes the 3-series is the sales leader in this category. It's definitely the most popular car in this segment but that does not mean that buyers rank performance as the all-important feature in their decision making process nor does it imply it's the best. But we have already beaten this horse well past dead.................. I actually like the 3-series alot. Might even lease one next year. But all the cars in this comparo are great cars. Probably come across as a BMW hater - my apologies for this, I'm not. I would rate my previous BMW ownership experience as a B-. Could have been better however wasn't unpleasant.
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Replying to: drtravel (Nov 15, 2007 7:53 am) I did not have the pleasure on the '08's. Planning to. But I will steer clear of the CTS because I can still see! Regards, OW |
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Replying to: drtravel (Nov 15, 2007 7:17 am) I enjoy and respect posts by those who offer an honest assessment of their own cars. My 2004 TL 6-speed is a well made, sporty FWD family sedan. But it will never be a serious sport sedan due to the shortcomings of FWD. I'd be happy to tell you about the shortcomings of my other vehicles as well (911S and MDX), but that would take us off topic. I've never owned a BMW, but I tend to be self critical and give others credit where it is due. As someone who appreciates driving dynamics, it's hard for me not to concede to BMW kudos for their success. I think anybody looking in these forums for objective opinions by which to facilitate thier own purchase decision should reallocate their time to putting their own rear in the seats of all the cars in the category for extensive test drives. These forums are at least as much about entertaining bantor, or in the case of one particular unnamed poster, intergallactic fantasy, as they are about actual education/information dissemination. |
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Replying to: drtravel (Nov 15, 2007 7:53 am)
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Replying to: drtravel (Nov 15, 2007 7:17 am) I really hate to criticize cars, but I was responding the taxi cab idiocy. It's obvious you never seriously considered any of the other cars. There's BMW and then everybody else - the poor losers! Just because the poster doesn't share your opinion doesn't mean he (or she) hasn't driven the car. I disagree. There may be some opinions to be formed without driving the car and those opinions might in fact be important enough to disqualify a car without driving it. How can one call a car a boat without driving it? If in fact one has driven the car and called it a boat when the rest of the world says the opposite, there isn't much more to say...is there? Reading a forum to find useful information is a great tool. Unfortunately reading posts by people with allegiances to a particular brand that only praise their car and criticize the others doesn't serve this purpose You are doing the exact same thing. Extreme biases in favor of a brand offer little but justification for your purchase. One doesn't need to justify the purchase, it's their money. There are people passionate on both sides that doesn't make anybody wrong.
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Replying to: drtravel (Nov 15, 2007 7:53 am) Point is, it is meaningless to me. I won't buy a car based on edmunds feature list. I buy a car based on kd's feature list. nor does it imply it's the best. It is the best entry level luxury sports sedan and the benchmark...buying a car is a personal decision and people weigh their priorities with regard to what is important. the G is a nice car, it isn't for me however. I recognize why people would want it. I also recognize why people would want to buy a Saab, CTS, IS350, A6/A4. |
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Replying to: g35xfun (Nov 15, 2007 8:21 am) That's not going to happen. You sound mad you can't get the BMW you want. I want to point out if people took these comparison to heart, sales would follow. Since sales don't follow these comparisons, one assumes the buying public has their own opinion. And it's not yours.
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Nov 15, 2007 8:40 am) BTW I didn't have the desire for a BMW this time around given first hand knowledge that maintenance on them are expensive as heck, and that vaunted inline-6 in the X5 at 92,000 miles has developed the traditional and common BMW engine disease, it is now burning oil at a clearly observable rate of 1 quart every 2K miles. And to think the 335 will stick two turbos on that thing, and seeing that there are rumors about the thing overheating, see http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=711450 It is really a half-baked under-tested setup not ready for prime time. I'm certainly not going to pay to have the privilege to beta-test the crap. Nonetheless I still gave the benefit of the doubt and for whatever its worth came away unimpressed. The bangle-lized crap is just fugly and none of them look even as nice as the X5 or the E46 330i or E36 328i. From my test drives however limited my time in the 335xi may be, it didn't handle any better than the G35x. They don't make a car I want regardless of price. And they don't have a car at price that would entice to reconsider either.
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Replying to: g35xfun (Nov 15, 2007 9:17 am) You have to go with what you feel comfortable with. I do think BMWs are expensive. but all of them are expensive. Some are just "more" expensive".
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Nov 15, 2007 9:25 am) This is not meant at any brand of car or anything, for that matter. What ever works for you is good. Period. Regards, OW |
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