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Sedans Article Comments - Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans
475 messages, Last post on Jul 25, 2008 at 4:41 PM
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Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans - This is exactly why we gathered this group of sport sedans. That is, to find out if the 2008 Cadillac CTS, 2007 Infiniti G35 Sport, 2008 Lexus IS 350 or 2008 Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport can topple the Bavarian champ — the 2007 BMW 335i. In the spirit of the segment, each car in the test is outfitted with sport package hardware — usually a stiffer suspension and bigger wheels and tires — and an automatic transmission. (more)
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Replying to: g35xfun (Nov 14, 2007 1:09 pm) Well, there's the line of the day, if not the week. Fish-mouth is good but yours is better. |
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Replying to: g35xfun (Nov 14, 2007 9:25 am) It's a well-known fact that Tag Huler makes fine watches that are more stylish, techologically advanced, reliable, ruggedized and higher in quality than watches by Vacheron Constantin. Sure, the Vacheron Constantin costs like $45,000 but by all metrics, the tag heuer is the better watch; the price tag of a product does not always measure its quality. Think of the BMW as the Vacheron Constantin and the CTS as the much better tag heuer. ...We wouldn't see Tigher Woods sporting a Vacheron Constantin, now would we?... Take the CTS vs. 3-Series debate. The CTS is the better car by all metrics, with exception to yahoo-inducing, red-neck-adoring, flat-out acceleration. The CTS is more reliable which suggests the level of care taken in its manufacture, it's light-years ahead in the quality and finish of interior materials as my picture on an earlier page shows and what Edmunds/Car and Driver/Road and Track have said about the CTS interior, the engine is more advanced, smoother and much more refined (have we ever read an article where 'refined' and BMW 3-Series are combined in the same sentence?), the Sigma architecture is structurally more rigid than the BMW chassis which explains why the automotive journalist always complains about squeaks and rattles in entry-level BMW models and never complains about squeaks and rattles in CTS (or any Sigma-based Cadillac model for that matter), e.t.c., e.t.c. Buy the BMW if you wish, but you might as well buy the General Lee or any other redneck car that "sucks gas and hauls ass." As for me, I'll buy sophistication, refinement that's without competitor, competence, ability, peerless quality and finish and a ride that's quiet and confidence-inspiring under all driving conditions.
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Nov 14, 2007 6:16 am) Ummm. I did say real world... Jeez..without traffic congestion a Bugatti gets 19 mpg. What does way about the inefficency of the 'Vette. the Vette ought to be pulling 38. Without traffic congestion...yeah right. How about real world with traffic congestion and lots of it. The Vette ought to be getting 38 MPG? Excessive consumption of LSD. The only explination.
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make this stuff up. Party on!
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Replying to: pmc4 (Nov 14, 2007 3:51 pm) And the same can be said of a $10 timex vs a Tag heuer. Think of the G35 as being the Timex and the BMW as the tag heuer. By value the Timex wins, it does everything almost as good as the tag but at a fraction of the price. But the tag might be considered to be the benchmark. By the timex if you wish, but the tag is clearly the superior watch. Speaking of Vacheron, I have to check mine.
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Replying to: pmc4 (Nov 14, 2007 3:53 pm) Are you saying the LSD in the Vette stinks and that is why the mileage is horrible?
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Replying to: cdnpinhead (Nov 14, 2007 3:57 pm) I know; at this point it's almost becoming a satire... |
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Nov 14, 2007 4:03 pm) I think the BMW is a Rolex with full gold band while the Infiniti is the same watch with the half and half band but with the diamond face. A Yugo might be a timex in your comparison but certainly not the Infiniti. Ferrari seems like a Tag candidate but not the BMW. Still hard to accept that the Infiniti won this comparo even when you take out the value (price) factor?? By the timex if you wish, but the tag is clearly the superior watch. Umm... Edmunds though the Infiniti was the overall superior car without even considering price - it's outstanding value was just an added bonus. I guess that makes the BMW a timex in your analogy? But what do I know - I don't wear a watch. Have too many other gadgets (blackberry) that keep time. And I'm not into impressing folks with how much $$$ I paid for a watch. I'm looking for the best performance watch I can buy - not the most prestigious. Sorry.... couldn't control myself : (
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Replying to: drtravel (Nov 14, 2007 4:56 pm) Let's be clear, this is a direct quote from the comparison. I have no problem with the G35 winning on value, which it did. But this does not say the G35 is the superior car. After all how can it be better than the benchmark? The answer is, it isn't at least not for those looking for an entry level luxury sports sedan which puts the sport first. Which goes back to a previous post of mine. Depending on what is being measured, the CTS could come out on top, or the IS350 could come out on top.
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Nov 14, 2007 5:07 pm) Here are the exact quotes: Put simply, the 2007 Infiniti G35 wins this test because it's outstanding to drive and it gives you the most car for your money. We simply find the Infiniti's combination of engaging driving character, high feature content and low cost to be the most appealing. Plus, all great performances must come to an end sometime. As much as it's tempting to judge these cars according to abstracted ratings, the act of choosing one to drive is actually intensely personal. How else to explain that my personal favorite is the Infiniti G35 None of these statements say the Infiniti won solely because of value. It won because it was outstanding to drive, had an engaging driving character, high feature content, and was at least one writer's personal favorite. And it was a great value to boot! Under their Final Rankings and Scoring Explanation chart - let's do the math but take out the Value (price) factor Final Rankings Personal Rating 5% weight Infiniti - 90.0% BMW - 90.0% Recommended Rating 5% weight Infiniti - 80.0% BMW - 90.0% Evaluation Score 20% weight Infiniti - 78.3% BMW - 82.0% Feature Content 20% weight Infiniti - 66.7% BMW - 38.1% Performance 25% weight Infiniti - 93.6% BMW - 95.7% The Infiniti's final score would be 5% x 90 + 5% x 80 + 20% x 78.3 + 20% x 66.7 + 25% x 93.6 = 60.9% First Place The BMW's final score would be 5% x 90 + 5% x 90 + 20% x 82.0 + 20% x 38.1 + 25% x 95.7 = 56.9% Second Place As the above shows, if you completely take out the value factor Edmunds still declares the Infiniti the winner. Now you can disagree with Edmund's methodology and rightfully argue that what's important to you is different than what's important to Edmunds, but the fact is the Infiniti won this comparo and it didn't do it based on value. In fact, if you completely ignore value - it still won. Don't get mad at me - I'm just the messenger. Truth-in-disclosure statement: I don't own any of these vehicles. Have driven four of the five (sorry Caddy) for far more than a standard test drive. I have no brand allegiences.
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