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Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans - This is exactly why we gathered this group of sport sedans. That is, to find out if the 2008 Cadillac CTS, 2007 Infiniti G35 Sport, 2008 Lexus IS 350 or 2008 Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport can topple the Bavarian champ — the 2007 BMW 335i. In the spirit of the segment, each car in the test is outfitted with sport package hardware — usually a stiffer suspension and bigger wheels and tires — and an automatic transmission. (more)
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Replying to: spiritinthesky (Nov 12, 2007 5:29 am) Let me help: - The C5 was made from 97-04 model year and used a 5.7L LS1 rated at 350hp - The C6 is made from 05 to the present model year and has had an LS2 V8 rated at 400hp until the current 08 model year when it switched to an LS3 V8 rated at 430hp without the optional exhaust. - Top speed in the C6 Corvette (185-190) is reached in 5th gear, not 4th, on the 6-speed manual transmission equipped models. 4th gear only goes up to about 150 at which point you have to shift to 5th. - Putting in a tall overdrive (6th) gear is not a "trick". When a motor has as much low RPM torque available as the LSx series, then highway cruising at low RPM still allows the car to be plenty responsive in 6th gear, yet attain great cruising comfort and fuel economy. If you haven't tried putting a Vette in 6th on the highway and hitting the gas - try - it accelerates plenty quick for an overdrive gear, so I don't really understand why you insinuate that it was a 'trick' or a way to 'cheat' by using a tall top gear. Why should they have used a shorter 6th gear when 1-5 already offer as much performance as one could wish for? - Your citation of your friend's mileage vs your mileage is really not a very useful statistic. Your driving habits and his driving habits can vary wildly. EPA estimates (especially the new ones) are pretty accurate as a scientific and relative basis for comparison. Does it mean you'll get what they got? No. But it does generally tell you that if you got 20% better or worse mileage than the EPA rating in one car, then you probably would get similar relative results in the next car. The fact is that Vette drivers consistently turn in 30+ MPG on the highway in their cars. City mileage depends largely on how heavy their foot is but still typically isn't as bad as your friend's mileage. Lastly, about Road and Track's test of the two cars, I looked at the July 2005 edition of R&T and found no such article. I did find one from December 2004 and I noticed the following things: Their observed mileage during testing the two cars actually showed the Vette getting 1mpg better than the Porsche, which about matches relative difference the two cars have in EPA estimates. 0-60 was 4.5 on the Vette and 4.4 on the 911S, not that 0-60 is much of an indicator of power these days - it's more like an indicator of traction and can vary widely from test to test depending on the driver and conditions. The 1/4-mile was about dead even with the Vette at 12.9 and the Porsche at 12.8 and the Vette trapping 112mph and the Porsche trapping 110mph The Porsche cost 82% more than the Vette in base configuration and 65% more than the Vette in "as tested" configuration. What are you expecting the Vette to do with that kind of price/cost disadvantage? I'd say if they tested comparably in performance and the Porsche cost THAT much more, then the Vette did great. In all the Z06 belongs in that comparison, but it wasn't available until the model year after that test. |
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Replying to: tanders1 (Nov 11, 2007 11:40 pm) A well written post! I might disagree with the above statement because if Edmunds had compared the 328 with the Infiniti (these cars are much closer in price and are what a majority of BMW buyers actually buy - hence cross shop) I doubt the BMW would have won as many categories. Value has to be a factor unless "money is no object" because a car that costs more SHOULD be better. I do wish that these comparos included reliability as a factor, but I ain't holding my breath. I'm glad you have such an emotional attachment with your car - you obviously chose what was right for you. However do you really think those who bought the other 130,000 3-series have the same connection with their autos? One of my pet peeves with comparos is that the editors often choose cars that the American public isn't buying. In the LPS comparos (5-series, E-Class, Infiniti M, Lexus GS etc.) I've seen many comparos with the V-8 versions of these sedans. However a large majority of these cars that are actually sold come with the 6 cylinder engine. A comparo of the 6 cylinder versions of these would of much more benefit the consumer but they don't get compared. So these comparos become more beneficial to the fringe enthusiast buyer. Let's compare the best selling configuration for each of these sedans and see how it plays out. |
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Dear Edmund We Comparing sports sedan not value sedan , sports meaning how fast we can reach that 0-60mph or 60-120mph with precise handling .my brother has 07 335i and I have 07 G35 sports ,if you drive both cars the difference is clear 335i top out in every category except the value, 335i accelerate like tamed animal not like wild hog , if you guys comparing sports go back see your 0-60mph figure caddie should be at last and then comes Benz and then G35 and 1st is 335i, if you guys comparing value and luxury, caddie should be the 1st , 2nd should be Benz , 3rd is G35 , 4th Lexus , 5th is 335i.
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Replying to: adama (Nov 12, 2007 1:50 pm) BTW, what do the editors drive??? Regards, OW
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Replying to: adama (Nov 12, 2007 1:50 pm) I guess comparing the M3 to the G would have been a more appropriate! The difference would have been certainly more clear! After all money is no object. 335i accelerate like tamed animal not like wild hog Some actually prefer the wild hog. After all are we not talking about which provides the greatest adrenaline rush. Smoothness or in-your-face? |
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 11, 2007 6:38 am) When the bell rings, you commit. You already know when the bell tolled for me. Many Acura, Infiniti and Lexus buyers agree with you 100%. Sure BMWs provide an emotional connection to their owners but so do the others. That message however isn't as well represented in this forum. Who's to say which emotional experience is best? I do appreciate your honest assessment of your ride. Seems that many owners are willing to overlook their car's shortcomings or have grown to expect and accept them? When I had my BMW serviced for an oil change - they just made me wait for a few hours. I guess I picked the wrong dealer : (
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Replying to: drtravel (Nov 13, 2007 9:35 am) Money is a tool from my perspective. If you deal from scarcity, you get the G. If you want it all, you get the best. Regards, OW
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Replying to: drtravel (Nov 13, 2007 9:53 am) You sure did! Yesterday I got behind on my DIY list and called my local dealer at  11:00AM to see when they could stick a new thermostat in my 3er. My advisor said to bring it in at 3:30PM. At 4:50PM I was out the door and headed home.
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Nov 11, 2007 5:18 pm) A problem with this comparo (and others) is that they use a loaded Lexus and Infiniti and not a corresponding loaded BMW. Let's just stick to basics: A base Infiniti G35 Sports Sedan has a MSRP of $33,115. Because the base BMW doesn't come with many of the options that are standard on the Infiniti - in order to make an apples to apples price comparison we have to add the ZPP (Premium Package) and ZSP (Sport Package). A BMW 328i with the ZPP and ZSP has a MSRP of $38,115 and the BMW 335 with the ZPP and ZSP has a MSRP of $43,925. One could naturally choose not to have these packages on the BMW so this is just a best estimate - your $$ will vary. Actually the G was compared against the 330 and still won on value. Not in the comparo that this forum is about. A link would be nice. Still doesn't explain why the 3 series variants have outsold the G variants ytd 2 to 1. A huge factor - built up brand loyalty. Another huge factor - BMW's have far greater prestige than Infinitis. The fact that you can get a convertible BMW but not Infiniti. I could go on... There are many factors that drive auto sales but just because one outsells the other doesn't mean it's the "best" sports sedan. |
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