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Sedans Article Comments - Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans
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Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans - This is exactly why we gathered this group of sport sedans. That is, to find out if the 2008 Cadillac CTS, 2007 Infiniti G35 Sport, 2008 Lexus IS 350 or 2008 Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport can topple the Bavarian champ — the 2007 BMW 335i. In the spirit of the segment, each car in the test is outfitted with sport package hardware — usually a stiffer suspension and bigger wheels and tires — and an automatic transmission. (more)
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Replying to: pmc4 (Nov 10, 2007 2:26 pm) 
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Replying to: pmc4 (Nov 10, 2007 2:42 pm) BTW, GM is on life-support and has a long way to go to make profit as a combined int'l entity. Toyota is way ahead. And my experience with the dealer network is, well, on the bottom of my list in satisfaction after 30 years of buying US-only auto. I've switched to a higher level of competence, service and complete satisfaction that i've never experienced at Caddy/PonBuickGMC/Chev/Olds establishments. There is a certain bad taste thats sticks with me. The CTS is still too edgy for me and I am not finished inflicting my version of feedback to GM by NOT buying their products because of their business model which continues to baffle...even during the restructuring phase. As for the Taxi interior reference, Your opinion only. Never heard that from ANYONE before but I would still prefer the BMW interior to the '08 CTS. Good luck. Regards, OW
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It would ne nice to hear some refreshing opinions about these cars but alas a majority of posters have decided that the car they have a blind allegiance to is the best. Defend their car to the hilt and blast the others. That's why there is so much emotion in these posts. Unfortunately few have actually experienced more than one car and may have not really given the "other" car a fair chance. In the time I spent in the BMW and MB service departments I was always amazed at how little knowledge these owners had of competing non-teutonic competitors. While many blasted their reliability and repair bills, when it came time to finding a replacement, they were only considering another German car. So even if they decided to test drive an Infiniti, Lexus or Caddy - they had already decided that these brands were not good for them. Interesting, because obviously they were intelligent enough to generate the cash to buy these cars. All of these cars are great cars (for entry-level luxury sedans) but all have shortcomings. It's up to the individual buyer to decide what is important to them and buy the car that best meet their needs. For the typical driver - these cars have far more in common than they are different. The "experts" on this board are probably more knowledgeable than the typical buyer but it would certainly be more interesting if they would tell us what's wrong with their auto and what's right with the competition. i.e. A BMW owner describing their car's weaknesses and the Infiniti strengths - or - a Lexus owner describing their car's weaknesses and the MB strengths etc. Now that would be a worthwhile post that might add some significant information for those who might actually be trying to decide between these cars. Claiming one car is the "best" is an exercise in folly. If I don't choose this best car well I must have settled for second best - NOT! Yes BMW is the sales leader in this group but a large majority of buyers choose to buy something other than the BMW. And sales isn't quite the great indicator of "Bestness" that some may believe. Sales in this segment are driven by a large variety of factors - some of which don't really include handling, acceleration, g-forces etc. Besides the Honda Accord outsells this entire group so obviously it's the far superior car. The posts in here follow the same pattern found in the LPS ( Luxury Performance Sedans) and HELM (High End Luxury Market) forums. The same old tired allegiances. Sorry about my diatribe : (
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Replying to: drtravel (Nov 10, 2007 9:36 pm) When the bell rings, you commit. You already know when the bell tolled for me. Weaknesses of my current ride (330xi,E90) based on my perceptions...RFT's are expensive to repair, no oil dipstick. Repairs...wiring harness due to a malfunctioning air bag indicator. One week to repair, 300 miles in a 330i. Free RFT replacement at 12K miles...one day and a free ride in a 528i. Oil change/brake fluid change/new wipers...free and 1 free day in a 335i. Regards, OW
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Replying to: drtravel (Nov 10, 2007 9:36 pm) Speak for yourself; while I've owned eight BMWs since 1983, I've also owned a Thunderbird Turbo Coupe, Nissan Pathfinder SE, a Merkur Scorpio, and a Volvo 740 Turbo. And my 318ti Club Sport and X3 share garage space with a Jeep Wrangler, Mazdaspeed3, and a Triumph Speed Triple(I'm not a Beemer rider yet). I've never said any of BMW's competitors are bad cars, they simply don't fit my needs- though the Infiniti G series comes very close. |
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Replying to: drtravel (Nov 10, 2007 9:36 pm) This discussion has been going on in one form or another since 2002, and since 2003 the posters have run out of different points of view. All cars in this segment have improved light years since 2002. BMWs fanatical obsession in building cars that are almost telepathic in nature earns it top spots in every comparo. I do get tired of seeing BMW win every comparo, it's nice to see the competition win on value. You can weight any attribute and then have a comparo that crowns the king. If roominess, sportiness and value were the order of the day, I'd crown the CTS victor. But no one has beat BMW at their own game. The G37 can't overtake the 335. But that doesn't mean there isn't an attribute one might prefer in purchasing the G37 over the 335.
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Replying to: pmc4 (Nov 10, 2007 2:26 pm) Are you unaware BMW is a global manufacturer like Ford and GM? And similiar to Ford and GM, BMW does not build the same car in any market. Are you also unaware BMW didn't have to create a separate luxury division so sell upscale models of cars in the US already being sold elsewhere, with a different name? So your point is because BMW build a more baseline car in Europe it really can't be considered a luxury manufacturer? Well that logic would then apply to every manufacturer as every manufacturer or subsidiary sells a more baseline car or has taken a platform from their current lineup and "upscaled" it. As blueguy noted in another forum, your analysis is incorrect.
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Nov 11, 2007 7:26 am)
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