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Re: I don't want no VCM ! [robertsmx] by blufz1
Nov 06, 2007 (10:09 am)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Nov 06, 2007 10:01 am)

Know that. I'm referring to the inherent increased vibration in the engine when running in 3 or 4 mode vs. straight up V6 mode.
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Re: Figuring Out My VCM [rockdoctor1] by golfrski
Nov 06, 2007 (10:29 am)
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Replying to: rockdoctor1 (Nov 06, 2007 9:06 am)

ahhh so I am not alone!!! Thanks rockdoctor1.
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Re: I don't want no VCM ! [blufz1] by robertsmx
Nov 06, 2007 (10:30 am)
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Replying to: blufz1 (Nov 06, 2007 10:09 am)

You mean different harmonics. But, active mounts are designed for just that... kill harmonics (of any kind).
 
Remember, all pistons are still running even in I-3 mode. The extra vibration comes only from lack of burning fuel on one bank (not so much in 4-cylinder mode, since it is actually a V4 layout).
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Re: Figuring Out My VCM [golfrski] by rockdoctor1
Nov 06, 2007 (10:48 am)
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Replying to: golfrski (Nov 06, 2007 10:29 am)

I forgot to post my mpg history. Tanks 1-7, all about 70% hwy 74 mph.
 
26.63
26.64
26.78
27.31
27.20
27.38
26.67
 
Funny, my 2000 3.0l V6 Accord got 28 mpg the first tank and 28 mpg at 196K miles. However, I doubt my 16 yr old daughter gets 25 mpg the way she drives it now.
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Re: I don't want no VCM ! [robertsmx] by blufz1
Nov 06, 2007 (10:49 am)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Nov 06, 2007 10:30 am)

No. I mean what I said. I don't want the engine to vibrate more than it has to. The engine vibrates more in 3 or 4 mode. I don't care that the active motor mounts tune this vibration out from the passenger compartment, I don't want the engine vibrating more than it does in V6 mode. It's probably not best for longevity.
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Re: I don't want no VCM ! [blufz1] by robertsmx
Nov 06, 2007 (11:23 am)
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Replying to: blufz1 (Nov 06, 2007 10:49 am)

Then you should ask for V8 diesel.
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Re: I don't want no VCM ! [robertsmx] by blufz1
Nov 06, 2007 (2:30 pm)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Nov 06, 2007 11:23 am)

I'm not denigrating Honda. I just prefer simple vs. complex. My next car may be a CRV diesel. You know, inline vs. V.
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Re: I don't want no VCM ! [blufz1] by bug4
Nov 06, 2007 (2:53 pm)
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Replying to: blufz1 (Nov 06, 2007 2:30 pm)

I'm actually with you blufz1 . . .I don't blame anyone for wanting the v6. But, I drive my Hondas for 8-10 years and I decided I didn't want such a complicated engine / motor mounts. What actually scared me more than the durability of the engine and mounts, was the complexity of the control module for this system. I understand the non-VCM modules cost several thousand to replace. Imagine what that VCM module might cost if it failed. I admit, I've very conservative on this point and I certainly don't criticize anyone else for choosing the v6 . . .
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Re: I don't want no VCM ! [robertsmx] by colloquor
Nov 07, 2007 (5:36 am)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Nov 06, 2007 9:39 am)

"VCM has VTEC. Diesel has high pressure turbo and intercooling system. So, complexity can't be avoided."
 
A high-pressure turbo and an intercooler may be a complex system, but a tried and true system as SAAB initially used this system in the early '80s SAAB 900 Turbo. It's a very reliable design, and a high-pressure turbo will easily reach 150K miles without a failure if one changes oil regularly and uses a quality oil in the first place - and, not shut the engine down immediately after high-speed operation, so that you don't cook the oil out of the turbo's bearings.
 
Diesels, especially those used in over the road trucks, have been using this design for many years, and it's truly a reliable solution. I think some are just concerned with the long-term reliability question of the VCM system.
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Re: I don't want no VCM ! [colloquor] by robertsmx
Nov 07, 2007 (9:35 am)
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Replying to: colloquor (Nov 07, 2007 5:36 am)

VTEC has been around for a long time too. I wouldn't bet against it.
 
Like every technology, it has evolved over (now) two decades, with VCM feature added five years ago. Diesels aren't the same old thing either. A lot of complexity has been added besides turbo/intercooler. You can't compare today's diesel to diesels from two decades ago, could you? One could even argue against the new catalytic converter, the new casting techniques, the common rail design and so on.
 
But if we were to be wary of every new development, we might as well stick with a Model-T. I'm sure it didn't have the engine mounted even on a subframe, much less an active control/hydraulic mount.

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