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#2600 of 2717 Re: V6 vs I4 [jr86510]
May 17, 2011 (6:09 pm)
Maintenance on the Acura is like a Honda - nothing like maintaining a BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, etc. We have had 2 '88 Legends, 1 1990 Legend, a 1994 Legend Coupe, and now our son has a certified used 2005 RL and I have the 2008. We have NEVER had serious problems with any and only normal maintenance. True, it does use premium, but depending on how many miles you drive the annual cost difference versus a V6 Accord would be nominal - but you owe it to yourself to drive one - the features it has over the Honda are significant - the SH AWD being HUGE if you live in a snowy area, not to mention the other things I listed. You can get an extended byumper to bumper warranty as well as drivetrain that EXCEED the new Honda's coverage. Really - DRIVE ONE - you will not believe the difference. And for the same money???? It truly is, in my book, a no brainer.
#2601 of 2717 Re: V6 vs I4 [jr86510]
May 30, 2011 (4:42 pm)
I am sorry that is your choice. The Acura weighs 4050 pounds of solid ACE construction. JUst took a trip to/from Syracuse NY - 225 miles each way from NYC. Averaged 29.5 MPG each way at an average speed of 73 MPH. I keep a steady speed without too much acceleration/deceleration, but did occasionally have to have full throttle acceleration and steady speeds of 85 MPH. The Acura is a far superior car - and you can get it used for less than the Honda! Lovin my Acura.
#2602 of 2717 Re: New 2011 owner [dpmeersman]
May 30, 2011 (4:53 pm)
Got rid of our 2008 Accord with VCM after the tranny went bad at 28K. Bought a 2008 Acura RL with 18K on it for $25K with extended warranty. Surprise! This car not only has SO many features the Honda can only dream about, but get this - just got 29.5 MPG at an average speed of 73 MPH EACH WAY on a 450 mile round trip with occasional full throttle bursts and steady cruising at 85 MPH - and all 6 cylinders firing and driving 4050+ pounds. VCM is a total joke.
#2603 of 2717 Re: New 2011 owner [michael0137]
May 31, 2011 (10:05 pm)
I haven't bought a used car since 1987. Have no interest in buying someone else's headache - which is what my first two (used) cars were. I have also had a few new ones that I traded early for that exact reason - to give someone else the frigging headache, (out of the twelve new vehicles bought from 88 to present) .
So far the VCM on the 08 V6 Accord Sedan is somewhat annoying, but hasn't broken, thrown service codes, or failed. Until that happens, I just am ignoring the oddball sensations, and driving it until it does throw a service code or I want a new car. It still outruns and out handles most of the other crap people are driving around here, and the price and features were right.
A new Acura of the model you suggest is just a 'little' more expensive than a new fully loaded V6 Accord Sedan - 'little' being around $20K or so. As for the mileage, the EPA rating for a V6 RL AWD is nowhere near the 29 highway - and it is very unusual for a typical driver to exceed that number.
I always want the toys on a new car, so the loaded price is realistic for me - and for $50+ there are higher rated / reviewed cars to choose.
2011 Acura RL test results from C&D
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/10q4/2011_acura_rl_sh-awd-short_take_roa- - d_test
VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
PRICE AS TESTED: $56,010 (base price: $48,060)
ENGINE TYPE: SOHC 24-valve V-6, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection
Displacement: 224 cu in, 3664 cc
Power (SAE net): 300 bhp 6300 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 271 lb-ft 5000 rpm
TRANSMISSION: 6-speed automatic with manumatic shifting
Wheelbase: 110.2 in Length: 195.8 in
Width: 72.7 in Height: 57.3 in
Curb weight: 4115 lb
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 6.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 16.1 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 34.2 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 6.4 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.7 sec 96 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 132 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 180 ft
EPA city/highway driving: 17/24 mpg
C/D observed: 16 mpg
#2604 of 2717 Re: New 2011 owner [jmillerjmiller]
Jun 01, 2011 (2:26 am)
Sorry to hear of your poor experiences with used cars. We have bought 3 previously used Acuras - '88,'90, '94 Legends - all gave us exemplary service. They were not headaches. And that was before Carfax - this '08 has been properly maintained, and has a good history. I had it thoroughly inspected by an ASE mechanic before buying it, and got a 5 year/80k extended warranty with it. My son also gets about 29 MPG on the highway with his '05 RL - one of the reasons I bought one. We average around 20-22 in NYC driving, and the 29 on the highway. Having previously owned 4 Acura Legends, our experiences were that they get better mileage in the real world than the EPA says. This car does not get rave reviews from the car mags as you alude to, and I always pooh poohed it as an opverpriced Honda - until he bought his and I drove it. It drives NOTHING like a Honda - tight, firm, precise steering, great brakes, AWD, and ALL the amenities you could ever want, and then some. This is a VERY underrated car, but to our advantage as used car buyers and why I got the deal I did. Have you driven one? Do so before you throw darts at it - you'll be surprised - I was and I am a car nut - XKE, Camaro SS, Honda S2000, and have driven Ferraris, Maseratis, Lamborghinis, Alfas, Porsches, etc.
Our 2008 Honda Accord was fine for 28K - then went beserk, tranny downshifting by itself, VSA lights on, D ligh.t flashing on the dash. The dealer siad it was input and output sensors in the tranny going bad, but when I got the car back, it was not right, staying in 5th even after turning a slow corner and not downshifting. I think the VCM had something to do with it, its constant in and out of 6-4-3 modes constantly, causing the tranny to shift more often than it would otherwise need to with a normal V6
I am thrilled with the car - everything I remembered about an Acura, and more. The technology in this car is awesome, and you can't touch it in a BMW or Merc for less than $20,000 + new. And I have owned those - repair hell - BMW = Break My Wallet. When they are runing right, they are great cars. Takes too much to keep them that way IMHO. I don't want to be taking my car to the shop all the time. The used Acuras we had? Bought one with 96k on it for our son, drove it to 168K and sold it - no troubles. Another with 122K - one owner, drove to 180K and donated it. No problems. '94 Legend Coupe with 49K - put another 25K on it without any problems, then moved to NYC and sold it. A good used Acura, certified? You can't go wrong. My NEWLY purchased Honda gave us more serious trouble and nearly stranded us on the road. Unacceptable and gone.
#2605 of 2717 Re: Honda V6,VCM Engine problems: Post it on YouTube [sunnfun]
Jun 15, 2011 (1:45 pm)
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#2606 of 2717 Yeah right Honda - tell me some more...
Jun 27, 2011 (5:48 am)
Just heard a Honda ad on TV (where they focused on touting fuel economy), in which the pitchman comes right out and says something like 'seamlessly operates on as little as three cylinders'.
Sometimes you can really feel the VCM in my Accord get confused. I just ignore it, as I know the car is running 'normal' - but it is easy to tell, regardles of the silly eco light (marketing gimmick).
Dealer said there were no firmware update at my last visit.
The also did the fix in the TSD for the package shelf rattle, it didn't work.
#2607 of 2717 Re: Yeah right Honda - tell me some more... [jmillerjmiller]
Jun 27, 2011 (8:18 am)
It is astonishing to me that on one yet has been able to nail them on false advertising. My VCM was quite noticeable from the get go - sorta disappeared at about 3000 miles, and as you say, you could feel it get confused, and I was VERY unhappy about its response to immediate passing power needs when running on 3 and having to go to 6. But, when the tranny went at 28K and the whole darn car went crazy - VSA light on, D light flashing on and off, the tranny downshifting 3 gears and the ECO light going off and staying off, that was the last straw. NEVER again would I buy a Honda V-6 with anything but normal V6 operation. The V6 in my Acura RL? A dream. And the VCM touted gas mileage improvement??? A laugh - my 2008 Acura RL gets 29 MPG on the highway at 75 MPH - BETTER than anything I ever got with the VCM - and on the exact same roads and trip - Manhattan to Syracuse, NY via I-80, I-380, I-81. All this in a car with 290 HP and weighs 4100 pounds! It also runs about 500 RPM lower at the same speeds as the Honda when cruising. Why does Honda not do something to lower cruising RPMs?? They have done it in the Acura division.
#2608 of 2717 Our gas mileage isn't bad!
Jun 29, 2011 (4:31 am)
In early June we took a trip to Las Vegas & averaged 27.x-29.x. Yesterday we got home from a 1-day trip to Denver, over the Continental Divide both ways & averaged 29.8 on the way over and 33.4 on the way home.
Don't get me wrong: I STILL don't like VCM & will never buy another Honda if it has VCM.
#2609 of 2717 Re: Our gas mileage isn't bad! [rcummelin]
Jun 29, 2011 (7:49 am)
Well, the kicker is this - we sold the 2008 Accord for which we paid $26,000 with 28k miles on it for $18,000, and turned around and bought a $50,000 used 2008 RL/Tehc Pkg. with 18K miles for $25,000 - less than a new Accord V6. AWD, Bose 5.1 Stereo, NO VCM!!!! YEA!!! , 29 MPG, paddle shifters, rear AC vents and sun shades, including power sun shade in rear window, Navigation, turn activated headlights, turn signals in side view mirrors, HID headlights, 4100 pounds solid, and drives like no Honda I have ever driven. A WORLD of difference. Hate the VCM?? Now is the time to think about doing what I did - used Hondas are in great demand and prices high - used RLs are depressed. perfect opportunity