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#2438 of 2720 Re: Obama's tough fuel economy standards [hackattack5]
May 27, 2010 (4:32 am)
Honda has been putting the VCM engine in their cars since 2003 so I am not sure what Obama has to do with the VCM. I hope the other auto makers can learn from Honda's mistake because Honda surely did not learn from GM's mistake when they tried the same thing in the 80's
Honda has had few compalints that I know of from owners of the Pilot and Odyssey with VCM. It seems to be the application of the technology in the Accord that is raising the issues. GM and Chrysler are using their cylinder deactivation systems in V8 engines and I've heard little about them, also. Technology has advanced since 1981 General Motors.
Also, what 2003 Honda had VCM? My understanding was that it made its debut in 2005 Odyssey and Accord Hybrid models.
#2439 of 2720 Re: Obama's tough fuel economy standards [thegraduate]
May 27, 2010 (7:17 am)
Honda has had few complaints that I know of from owners of the Pilot and Odyssey with VCM. It seems to be the application of the technology in the Accord that is raising the issues.
If you search the web, you can find a few complaints about VCM in the Odyssey & Pilot. Actually very few.
To me, the interesting part of the entire VCM debate on this forum is that seemingly only a handful of Accord owners seem to find fault with the VCM-equipped V6s, while the majority of owners don't have any issues at all (like me!).
We previously owned a 2008 Odyssey with VCM and had no issues with it. If the Odyssey had given us problems with it's VCM, we surely wouldn't have bought a new Accord.
It's most unfortunate that Honda has taken the stance that all VCM complaints are answered with "The system is working as designed." This attitude is NOT helping Honda's reputation with previously loyal customers, and is likely to lose them future customers, even those folks with no VCM issues (again, like me!).
#2440 of 2720 Re: Obama's tough fuel economy standards [rcummelin]
May 27, 2010 (8:40 am)
I'm on my second VCM Accord sedan so it's obvious that I'm not bothered by it. My seat of the pants perception of my second one seems to indicate that, so far as my two vehicles go, there are differences from vehicle to vehicle. While my 08 would under certain conditions "clunk" as various cylinders were put to use/sleep, to the point that passengers would ask what that noise/feeling was, that is not the case in my 2010. Given the complexity of Honda's system compared to GM's, I'm not surprised by this. Any item that's mass manufactured has over and under tolerances that are allowed. When hydraulic engine mounts, ANC, and various engine components are to work in unison to mask the effects of cylinder transitions, a combination of units at various ends of the spectrum could produce slightly more noticeable effects than those that lie closer to the mean.
While they have changed their web site from stating seamless to near seamless, they should have changed imperceptible by occupants to barely imperceptible, and you would have been presented with a more accurate presentation of real world VCM activity, and done this from the start. Backpedaling to correct inaccuracies will almost always be perceived as misrepresentation.
Given most states economies and the lack of attention to proper road maintenance, feeling what amounts to the equivalent of a transmission shifting, is the least of my problems. Driving in New England lately I feel as if I'm on cobblestone roads most of the time.
#2441 of 2720 Re: Obama's tough fuel economy standards [thegraduate]
May 27, 2010 (1:33 pm)
"Also, what 2003 Honda had VCM?"
Vehicles equipped with VCM
2003 Honda Inspire
2005-2007 Honda Accord Hybrid (J30)
2005+ Honda Odyssey EX-L and Touring Models only (J35)
2006+ Honda Pilot 2WD Models only (J35)
2008 Honda Accord except EX-L V6 6MT Coupe
2009+ Honda Pilot (all models)
#2442 of 2720 Re: Obama's tough fuel economy standards [hackattack5]
May 28, 2010 (5:08 am)
Ok, so no sold-in-America Honda had VCM in '03. That's what I thought. Knew about all the others!
Jun 18, 2010 (4:32 pm)
Do you work for Honda in Windsor Locks, CT?
#2444 of 2720 Re: VCM Problems [elliott2]
Jun 19, 2010 (12:19 am)
#2445 of 2720 VCM Problems [dpmeersman]
Jun 22, 2010 (2:49 pm)
Sorry. Your email moniker is close to the same last name as the factor rep (Meers) that called me last week regarding the pending class action lawsuit against Honda on the 2008 Accord.
#2446 of 2720 Re: VCM Problems [elliott2]
Jul 16, 2010 (9:55 am)
I wrote about my VCM problems and the ultimate solution back in March/April. The solution was to dump the '08 loaded V-6 and get as loaded a 2010 XL 4-cyl as was available. The 190 hp vs. 268 hp (or is it 270?) represents a startling decline in power but I'm living with it. What's amazing to me is that my wife's 2007 EX has 20 less hp but more pep than my 2010. I think her's may have been the last really good Honda. I'm not saying the 2010 is not a good car but it's far from exceptional, which is not what you're used to saying if you're a Honda enthusiast. FWIW, I do a lot of in town driving along with my 35 mile commute and I'm averaging 28 mpg with the 2010. If I drive it the speed limit it goes up to 30-31 mpg--but who has time to drive the speed limit? Anyway, I'm more than pleased with my mileage.
I'll be keeping this one for a long time (for me 5 years is a long time) and unless Honda does something about the 6 cyl/VCM issue this will be my last Accord. I'm starting to sit up and notice...gasp...Hyundai. I never would have thought that those words would come out of my mouth!
#2447 of 2720 Re: VCM Problems [hondafool]
Jul 16, 2010 (10:25 am)
Glad you dumped the 08. I never made he move to the VCM V6 after driving one so I went with a 2010 Maxima from a 2007 EX V6 navi Accord which was turbine smooth. They cheapened up the 2008 + by removing those great LED tail lights. You are right, Honda is loosing it's edge!