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Re: VCM discussion [yuka] by thegraduate
Apr 01, 2009 (7:24 pm)
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Replying to: yuka (Apr 01, 2009 8:06 am)

Sorry to hear you're car seems to be one of the more problematic ones, but for what its worth, your mileage is right on target; a little better than EPA estimates, actually. It calls for a combined average of 22 MPH (you're getting 22-24 MPG) and for 29 Highway (you're getting 30 while going at above normal Highway speeds, impressive!). Usually, EPA highway estimates are more likely to be achieved at or below 70 MPH.
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Re: VCM discussion [yuka] by jmillerjmiller
Apr 01, 2009 (9:03 pm)
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Replying to: yuka (Apr 01, 2009 8:06 am)

Speaking of the ECO light - I would like to get the bulb removed on mine at some point. It's more worthless than the old upshift light on some of the manual transmission cars in the late seventies and early eighties, or the vacuum gauge marked fuel economy on some others. Just an annoying distraction.
The car does have some odd engine notes and vibration from it, as well as the surging/hesitation. Those appear to be the nature of this particular design. I was a little leery buying the car just after seeing all the gee-whiz junk they did, as the earlier Accords (gen 6 and earlier) did not have this stuff. Navi is one thing, but adding active noise cancellation and a dual active chamber engine mount (earlier ones had a single chamber mount), etc. just hide the 3-4-6 schemes issues?
This is a live with it for me, the steering wheel shimmy that mine has since day one is the bigger issue. It's been minimized with the third road force balance, but if you know what to look for it is still there in a small way.
The paint job on this car has more flaws in it than the the last four vehicles I've owned combined - this is also a live with it. I had to wait for this one to come from Marysville, so I could not reject it for this, unlike if it was one on the lot.
Still, I like this cars size, handling, and performance in general. But after loosing the low dash due to the ACS design it feels a lot more like a traditional american car design where the dash is high and you sit down in a tub.
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Re: VCM discussion [jmillerjmiller] by yuka
Apr 03, 2009 (7:13 am)
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Replying to: jmillerjmiller (Apr 01, 2009 9:03 pm)

"But after loosing the low dash due to the ACS design it feels a lot more like a traditional american car design where the dash is high and you sit down in a tub."
 
I totally agree - this is the most "American" Honda to date, losing the low cowl other had had. I liked the 1st generation Acura Legends - they had every bit as much leg room, etc. but were SOO much lower and the cowl ? Your line of sight was amazing.
 
Some interesting comparisons - 1990 Legend v 2009 Accord V6
 
Acura Honda
Front HR 37 41
Rear HR 37 37
Front LR 43.4 42.5
Rear LR 35 37
Length 191 194
Ht 54.7 58!
Wt 3170 3600
Width 69 73
WheelBase 109 110
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Re: VCM discussion [yuka] by dpmeersman
Apr 03, 2009 (8:41 am)
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Replying to: yuka (Apr 03, 2009 7:13 am)

Most 2008 and newer vehicles have to meet new pedestrian impact standards which have resulted in higher cowl designs.
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Re: VCM discussion [dpmeersman] by yuka
Apr 03, 2009 (9:00 am)
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Replying to: dpmeersman (Apr 03, 2009 8:41 am)

Oh - I knew - what shame though - those low cowl designs were great. How many pedestrians have you hit? I have been driving 43 years/1,000,000+ miles and haven't hit one yet. Stupid laws.
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Re: VCM discussion [yuka] by thegraduate
Apr 03, 2009 (9:36 am)
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Replying to: yuka (Apr 03, 2009 9:00 am)

Having been on an urban campus for three and a half years (U. of Alabama at Birmingham), I hear of about one car meets pedestrian accident per semester. Only one has been fatal though.
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VCM Annoyed by elliott2
Apr 05, 2009 (4:04 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 03, 2009 9:36 am)

We just had the active noise cancellation model replaced on our 2008 V6L-NAV. You can still hear (and feel) the affect of the misfiring cylinders, particularly at 25, 35, and 45 mph. The vibration is not as bad on the highway at higher speeds, of course, that's after all 4 wheels were balances for the third time. It's going back in for the noise. The driver and passengers should not be able to hear the sound of the misfiring cylinders.
 
The VCM engine with the 5 speed automatic transmission is a bad combination. There are many time when driving around town that the car is outright annoying as the transmission shits up too early and the engine has switched to a lower number number of cylinders, causing the sensation that the engine is hesitating and doesn't have enough power. Other times, it feels like the engine is stalling out.
 
The Honda factory rep avoided the topic of the sloshing sound from the gas tank; I've have never had a car that did that after 40 years of driving. Just took the car to one of the major insurance companies safety lab and they found that the baffles in the gas tank appear to have moved from their original fasteners in the tank. The result is that when there is more than 3/4th of a tank of gas, the gas not only sloshes but the weight of the gas moving causes the car to move slightly when you're stopping, almost like another car just slightly bumped you from behind.
 
Counting the days to get rid of this car. It's great looking inside and out; love the handling (with the exception of the engine and the transmission). Until the problems with the VCM can be reduced (there's obviously a quality control issue when a large enough number of drivers are complaining at various websites).
 
One final note: Honda needs to re-focus on quality. If you've looked at the latest rankings of cars, you'll notice that Honda is slipping from its previous rankings (the exception seems to be the Civic, which continues to rated very high). Accord is quickly becoming an "also ran".
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Re: VCM Annoyed [elliott2] by jhinsc
Apr 05, 2009 (5:29 pm)
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Replying to: elliott2 (Apr 05, 2009 4:04 am)

The driver and passengers should not be able to hear the sound of the misfiring cylinders.
 
Elliot, I know you're unhappy with your Accord, but how exactly are the cylinders misfiring? Whether it's running on 6, 4, or 3, they're all firing as Honda intended to. Honda didn't make a mistake, they designed it that way. I love the fact when I'm cruising down the road on 3 cyl's because I'm getting great mpg's. My 08 V6 runs beautifully and now is exceeding my average mpg's over my previous 06 V6. My 08 doesn't run the same as the 06 did, but it wasn't designed or intended to. As for the noise problem you're having, could it possibly be subjective? I can 'hear' and 'feel' it when in 3 cyl mode but it's not annoying - for me it's better than having the louder 4 cyl all the time. I don't hear any sloshing in my gas tank so maybe you have a problem there. Have to ask; sure you don't have anything in the trunk?
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VCM Annoyed [jhinsc] by elliott2
Apr 06, 2009 (1:20 am)
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Replying to: jhinsc (Apr 05, 2009 5:29 pm)

Sorry, I used "misfiring" as shorthand for not firing. Strange when you think about it: a engine that is designed to not fire all cylinders with liquid-filled, computer-controlled engine mounts, coupled with an active noise cancellation system that's designed to cover it all up. I don't believe the noise and vibration is subjective, the engine/transmission is either working as designed with no problem or, as is more likely the case, there is one component that is not working exactly as designed, causing the noise and vibration. Each time I've taken the care in, I've gotten a different mechanic (all the way up to the service manager) and their first reaction when they drive the car is, "what the hel! is that noise?". One of the mechanics stopped the car to look in the trunk to see if there was anything in it that was causing the sloshing and movement sensation. We went back and tried several other new cars off the lot and found (unscientific sampling) that about 2 out of 3 had the sloshing going on. As I stated on my earlier post, Honda has developed a quality issue with the Accord (note that Consumer Reports has lowered its rating on reliability on the 2008 Accord from prior model years.)
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Re: VCM Annoyed [elliott2] by jhinsc
Apr 06, 2009 (6:31 am)
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Replying to: elliott2 (Apr 06, 2009 1:20 am)

Well the good news is Honda isn't looking at you like you have 2 heads - LOL! But seriously, it sounds like you have several problems with your Accord that does not seem to prevalent among all V6's. The only thing I have a concern with is reading reports of premature rear brake wear. It is what it is, but I swear if I take it in for an oil change and the service guys tell me I need new rear brakes, I'll quietly but firmly tell them and the sales manager together that if I have to pay for replacement, it will create serious reservations about purchasing another Honda. Since they're the only game in town for Honda, I'm sure they will at least listen to me carefully and hopefully make the right decision. Who knows, I may not even have any problems with it, but it seems to be an ongoing problem with the 08's. Good luck to you.

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